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  • YellowRose
    Super-Experienced


    • Jan 21 2008
    • 17447

    The Vtci Scoop Retraction....

    Posted for Dan Leavens ~ Squarebird administrator, due to system problems Dan was experiencing...


    In the VTCI Scoop issue July / August there was an article starting on page 52 " Steering Column and Shift Linkage Tips". Here are some statements that were in that article.

    "on a popular 58-60 thunderbird forums in the web that shift linkage play is caused by a defective and / or worn out detent plate. This is absolutely not the case."

    "don't be fooled by bozos who are just trying to sell you something you don't need. Detent plates almost never go bad."

    We the administrators / moderators took exception to not only the inaccurate statements of Alexander's detent plate but also the inappropriate use of the word " bozo" which was directed towards him. I was asked to contact the VTCI which I did, to let them know that we didn't take this lightly and wanted a retraction in an upcoming Scoop. The clear issue was that the detent plates do wear and that's why they were manufactured and sold on our site to this day.. The other issue was to protect Alexander Sosiak, as he was very astute, intelligent and a well respected member of our Thunderbird community. In closing, I have sent an e-mail to the VTCI / directors thanking them for printing the retraction and admitting their editorial mistake in the Scoop. As a member of the VTCI I will continue to support them with my membership moving forward.

    … a retraction

    Published articles and automobiles are a lot alike. Cars consist of parts engineered for propulsion and safety, and they require fuel to operate; articles consist of words, linked to form coherent thoughts, and they in turn, are fueled by opinions. The complexity of both is best handled by a driver with sure hands, a keen feel for the media and a sense of direction – both of where you’ve been and where you’re going.

    The Thunderbird Scoop is a combination of words and pictures, thoughts and ideas, opinions and debate – and will remain a forum for the discussion of all things Thunderbird. However, in a recent article copied from a third-party website, regarding the merits of using detents in 1958-60 T-Birds, I let my eyes wander off the road a bit. I allowed an impolite phrase – bozo – to be used in a derogatory manner; for this I apologize. As editor of the Thunderbird Scoop, I often place these types of articles for the benefit of members, without exercising editorial prerogative, as I value the opinions of all members, and rely on their own knowledge and experience to make informed choices about parts and service options. In this case, that respect allowed an unfortunate phrase to be published. In the future, I shall be more mindful of these instances and make the necessary editorial adjustments – without sacrificing or commenting on the author’s original intent.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~

    On a personal note, I want to say that we administrators talked about this subject considerably and with key VTCI personnel, who were appalled that such an error had been made in their publication. They have taken action to see that this retraction posted above will be in the November/December issue of the Scoop. Key Squarebirds administrators have been working to clear this up, behind the scenes, for many weeks. I want to thank Dan Leavens for taking the point in working to get this retraction made. As a member of VTCI, I will also continue to support the organization.

    Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
    The Terminator..... VTCI #11178 ITC #6000 Yellow Mustang Registry (YMR) #12188
    Contact me via Private Message for my email address, or Call (Cell) 210-875-1411

    https://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm
    Faye's Ovarian Cancer Memorial Website.
    https://faye.rayclark.info/index.html
  • Guest

    #2
    Dan and Ray, thank you for your action. When I had read the Scoop article I was shocked. I have now read the retraction you had posted. It does retract the inappropriate slanderous use of the word bozo, however it does not retract any other of the following false claims to wit, below;

    "on a popular 58-60 thunderbird forums in the web that shift linkage play is caused by a defective and / or worn out detent plate. This is absolutely not the case."

    "don't be fooled by bozos who are just trying to sell you something you don't need. Detent plates almost never go bad."


    My feeling is that further action should be taken on our part and that a further retraction should be requested and most appropriately given by the Scoop. I have personally purchased a detent plate off this site and have been satisfied with the results of the new detent plate. The Scoop retraction doesn't retract anything about our website forum and doesn't retract the false claim about detent plated never going bad.

    I shall follow the posts I am sure will come to this thread before I write a personal letter to VTCI, a club that I have been a member of for 15 years. The VTCI is kinda rubbin me the wrong way on this and do hope they can attribute it yet again to an editorial oversight.

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    • JohnG
      John
      • Jul 28 2003
      • 2341

      #3
      By some quirk of fate, I guess I was practically the first one to receive a copy of The Scoop and read the offending article back in mid June. I was instantly appalled and immediately contacted the editor to protest. It is with mixed sentiments that there has been a constructive response from them after three months, when the error(s) were immediately obvious.

      There would seem to be two issues, at the least, for people to consider:

      1) the reference to Alexander as a bozo.

      2) the issue of the effectiveness of the detent plates, a technical matter. There is much feedback from people on this site, all provided in an objective fashion with no alterior motives.

      Perhaps there is also the somewhat derogatory reference to this site (Squarebirds) for being associated with the detent plates.

      Finally, you have two individuals involved: the author of the offending article and the editor who let it pass uneditted.

      It occurred to me as I wrote this that a link ought to be provided so people could read the article. Unfortunately the web site of Nick (author) has vanished as his business folded in late July. If anyone has another link to the article, it might be good to post it.

      I should also add that it took Dan no small amount of effort to extract the retraction you see. He did a masterful job of balancing persistence with diplomacy. Best Squarebird analogy I can think of is removing an exhaust manifold bolt without breaking it off...



      John
      Last edited by JohnG; September 19, 2009, 10:17 AM.
      1958 Hardtop
      #8452 TBird Registry
      http://tbird.info/registry/DataSheet...r~equals~8452)

      photo: http://www.squarebirds.org/users/joh...d_June2009.jpg
      history:
      http://www.squarebirds.org/users/johng/OCC.htm

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      • YellowRose
        Super-Experienced


        • Jan 21 2008
        • 17447

        #4
        The VTCI Scoop Retraction....

        I would like to request that our membership does not correspond with the Scoop editor, or the VTCI Board members. At least not until this retraction has been printed in the next upcoming Scoop. It is my understand that will be the November/December edition. We do not want anyone taking any action that would make her change her mind and not print that retraction... Dan, I and other administrators have worked long and hard to obtain what is slated to be posted in their Scoop... It may not be fully what we would have liked to have gotten, but at least it is something we feel we can live with...

        Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
        The Terminator..... VTCI #11178 ITC #6000 Yellow Mustang Registry (YMR) #12188
        Contact me via Private Message for my email address, or Call (Cell) 210-875-1411

        https://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm
        Faye's Ovarian Cancer Memorial Website.
        https://faye.rayclark.info/index.html

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        • Guest

          #5
          Hey Guys,
          I hope we or none of our members never fall into the same predicament of down grading, name calling, etc... of any other car club, form, web site, magazine, etc... This is totally immature and we don't need to stoop that low. We are grown women and men and I hope we continue to act that way! If you have a problem with some other form, car club, etc... keep it to yourself our PM (private message) who you want to discuss it with!!! We have very many guest that visit our site and I hope they never see or have to read slander!
          This is my opinion and does not reflect the opinion of Squarebird or Squarebird members!
          Richard D. Hord

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          • Dan Leavens
            Moderator / Administrator


            • Oct 4 2006
            • 6478

            #6
            Guys thanks for your comments and I would agree with Ray thta we need to see the " retraction" printed in the Nov/Dec issue of Scoop. Richard you hit the nail right on the head any public forum, is made available, to exchange opinions and expertise amongst its members. That's why Alexander established the " Rules of Conduct " section that we your administrators/ moderators abide by. We still have the best squarebird site and members and will contunue, to attract new members. I will stay on top of this, as I have estbalished contacts within the VTCI and most certainly protect the squarebird.org's integrity.
            Dano Calgary,Alberta Canada
            Thunderbird Registry
            58HT #33317
            60 HT (Sold )

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            • YellowRose
              Super-Experienced


              • Jan 21 2008
              • 17447

              #7
              The Vtci Scoop Retraction....

              Dan has suggested that we move this post out of the General Information Forum because, perhaps, no one is reading it up there. We want ALL of you to know the action that we have taken in this matter. We also appreciate your comments.
              Last edited by YellowRose; September 25, 2009, 03:51 PM.

              Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
              The Terminator..... VTCI #11178 ITC #6000 Yellow Mustang Registry (YMR) #12188
              Contact me via Private Message for my email address, or Call (Cell) 210-875-1411

              https://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm
              Faye's Ovarian Cancer Memorial Website.
              https://faye.rayclark.info/index.html

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              • Dan Leavens
                Moderator / Administrator


                • Oct 4 2006
                • 6478

                #8
                As most of you have already, I received my copy of the Nov / Dec Scoop from the VTCI. On page six (6) bottom, you will find the retraction with respect to the July / Aug. article " Steering Column and Shift Linkage Tips by Thunderbids by Nick that we took exception to directed at Alexander's detent plate. While it is not fully directed at the entire contents of the article by Nick, it does relate to, " the use of the term "BOZO " it does state: " as a derogatory manner; for this I apologize" and " In this case that respect allowed an unfortunate phrase to be published. In the future, I shall be more mindful of these instances and make the necessary editorial adjustments." This retraction is exactly what the current president of the VTCI Terry McNeill and I discussed previously. I accept this retraction and will close my file on this unfortunate publication by the VTCI.


                Dano
                Dano Calgary,Alberta Canada
                Thunderbird Registry
                58HT #33317
                60 HT (Sold )

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                • Guest

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Dan Leavens
                  I accept this retraction and will close my file on this unfortunate publication by the VTCI.

                  Dano
                  Dano, thank you very much for your efforts in this important matter.

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                  • YellowRose
                    Super-Experienced


                    • Jan 21 2008
                    • 17447

                    #10
                    The Vtci Scoop Retraction....

                    Thanks, Dano, for taking the point on this.. It is much appreciated. I think we can put this to rest now.... Thanks for all you did to bring this to fruition... I want to say that we had great support from the outgoing VTCI President, Lou Paliani. This was appalling to him that this happened just as he was leaving office. He is very much aware that many of the core members of VTCI come from Squarebirds.org...

                    Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
                    The Terminator..... VTCI #11178 ITC #6000 Yellow Mustang Registry (YMR) #12188
                    Contact me via Private Message for my email address, or Call (Cell) 210-875-1411

                    https://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm
                    Faye's Ovarian Cancer Memorial Website.
                    https://faye.rayclark.info/index.html

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