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  • YellowRose
    Super-Experienced


    • Jan 21 2008
    • 17061

    Battery Disconnect Switch/Start Lock

    A couple of weeks ago or so, Marco, aka Dutchbird, was telling us about his Start Lock battery disconnect switch that he has on his Tbird and uses when it he is out or has his Tbird in his garage. He posted information and pictures of it here.



    That got me to thinking about protecting Rose from future wiring problems while being stored in the garage. So Marco and I have had quite a discussion about this item. We tried to find this unit in the US but could not do so. Until I googled Battery Disconnect Switch, and found one by Wirthco, which is available through Sears, JC Whitney, and a few other places. The WirthCo unit is made in China, as the one that Marco has probably is also.

    Here is how they work. You take off your negative cable from its post and put on the Start Lock or BDS (for short) in its place. Then you hook the negative cable to the post on the BDS unit and tighten everything down. There is a black, green or blue round knob that you unscrew a few turns. That disconnects the power from the battery to the car. There is now no voltage going through the wiring to anywhere in the car. You cannot start the car, play the radio, turn on the lights. Nada.. Zip... If you are out with your Tbird and you really want to make it safer from theft, you can unscrew the knob, put it in your pocket and walk away. No one is going to be able to hot wire your Tbird and drive it off because there will be no power to the starter or anything else...

    There is a different model if you do want to leave power to the clock, radio, power windows, seats, (or car computer if you put this on a newer car). This model has a bypass wire with a 15A fuse in the line that connects between the negative cable and the negative post of the battery. It allows a small amount of power to the clock, radio, power windows, seat, etc.. This is the model that I bought, though I do not think I am going to use the bypass because when I put Rose in the garage each time, I want the power to be completely OFF the car for safety reasons. I dont mind resetting the clock the next time I use her.

    There is a third model with the knob on the end of it, that is even less costly. So, basically, that is how they work. Here is where you can get them from and the costs.



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    Gizmos & Gadgets seem to have the best prices, and they also have that cheaper model.

    Napa Auto Parts also has this Battery Disconnect Switch. I had a link here to them but it no longer works. Check with them, because they have the same BDS that the others have.

    And, if you want one just like Marco has, you can order one from him! However, there will be international postage involved, making it a lot more expensive than these units. It is almost identical to these models.

    With these units, you MUST make sure that you have tightened the knob to the ON position before you start the engine. If you do not, you will blow that fuse...

    This is something you certainly might want to check into, especially if you are garaging your Tbird like I am. Or if you just want to make sure it does not go up in smoke due to a wiring problem, while sitting there in storage, as has happened to some of us. For about $7 to $20 you can protect your investment with one of these. Or you can do what I have been doing... Loosening up one of the battery cables, pulling it off and setting it aside.. I like this idea better.. Besides, when I am out with Rose and want to protect her from making a sudden, unplanned trip to Mexico, I can unscrew that knob, pocket it and walk away. I have one on Yellow Rose now and it is doing it's job!

    Here are a couple of pix.
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    Last edited by YellowRose; July 26, 2009, 10:21 AM. Reason: Additional comments

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  • Dutchbird
    Experienced

    • Dec 20 2005
    • 261

    #2
    As Ray mentioned we had a small investigation for almost the last two weeks about this item.
    For everyone in the US it seems to me that it's wiser to order one of these (if interested) through one of the four companies Ray referred. There will be not (much) difference between them as we know for now, exept you have a 15A or 16 A fuse version (and that's negligible). But the 16A fuse should be available in the US if you're intend to order through me. For European members on this forum, the additional shipping is less of course and the 16A fuses may be better available.

    If you want more information on this item you're always more than welcome!
    Ray and I are still working on comparing the two models and collecting more information about availability, (shipping)costs, etc..

    To be continued ...............

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    • scumdog
      Super-Experienced
      • May 12 2006
      • 1523

      #3
      I have a 'switch' on my F100 main lead, same as used in race cars.

      Turn the 'key' 90 degrees and the current is cut. Take said key out and nobody can start the truck.

      May be hard to fit in a 'discrete' manner to a classic Thunderbird though.
      A Thunderbirder from the Land of the Long White Cloud.

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      • Guest

        #4
        Check with NAPA they should have master shutoff we have them on all our Fire Trucks

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        • YellowRose
          Super-Experienced


          • Jan 21 2008
          • 17061

          #5
          Battery Disconnect Switch/Start Lock

          Hi Bob,

          Yup, Napa Auto Parts has the same models the others have. I had a link to the Napa units below, but the link is no longer working. But you can get them through Napa.

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          • Anders
            Super-Experienced
            • Jan 19 2008
            • 2213

            #6
            I have this one, and more or less every classic car in Sweden have one as it is a must from the insurance companies.
            I melted down the isulator on my fist one when I used the battery to much without let it rest between the attempts to start the car......
            I have not seen the one with by-pass anywhere, but it seems to be the one if you have a working clock.....
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            Last edited by Anders; March 13, 2009, 03:15 PM.
            sigpic..."Lil darling Ruth":)
            http://www.tbirdregistry.com/#33158

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            • saverio
              Experienced
              • Mar 14 2005
              • 169

              #7
              hey guys,
              Did i miss a story on how Yellow Rose caught fire? Was it sitting in an off position and that's why you now suggest a battery shut off switch? I use my car about once a week,do i need to install one of these switches?
              thanks,

              sal
              Sal III

              60 T BD

              Thunderbird Registry # 33126 - VTCI # 11138- CTCI #02521

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              • YellowRose
                Super-Experienced


                • Jan 21 2008
                • 17061

                #8
                Battery Disconnect Switch/Start Lock

                Hi Sal,

                My mechanic accidentally shorted out my wiring while working on it, causing several to catch fire. Luckily, he was able to get the motor shut off, and the wires disconnected before to much damage was done. As a result, YellowRose has been in the shop still, having its wiring redone, fixed and improved on. In the process of doing that, my CVR unit went out, taking the Fuel/Temp gauge with it. I am waiting for a new solid state CVR unit to come in, and Griff at Bird Nest sent me a replacement gauge. This new solid state voltage regulator looks just like the original CVR unit, but if it ever goes, and it is not known to fail, it creates an open condition on the output side and will not let voltage travel to the gauges and take them out.

                I added the Start Lock, minus the fuse connection to keep the power off the car when it is in the garage or out in public. You can leave the fused line on, if you want to keep the clock and other power accesories running while in storage. Me, I dont want ANY power on that car when it is in the garage. We already had one terrible loss of a beautiful rare Tbird by one of our members due to shorted wiring, and probably some others. So my intent is to unscrew the knob enough to take the power off the wiring, or take the knob off all together when I am out in public. Then, if someone tries to start it and take my Tbird to Mexico, they wont be able to start it with that knob in my pocket.

                It is a cheap investment to prevent a possible fire in your garage or shop, or when out in public..

                Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
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                • dgs
                  Super-Experienced
                  • Feb 13 2003
                  • 962

                  #9
                  The original owner of my car in CA had an under dash toggle switch installed as an ignition cut off. Flipped one way, the car will crang and crank, flipped the other way the car starts normally.
                  DGS (aka salguod)
                  1960 Convertible - Raven Black, Red leather
                  www.salguod.net

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                  • bird 60
                    Super-Experienced
                    • Mar 18 2009
                    • 1131

                    #10
                    Hi Guys, I had one of the Battery Thingy-Me-bobs back in 1999 when I bought my first T. Bird a (1961-HT). They're a good thing to have. Now about the Fire under the hood.
                    Every Sunday in good weather I would drive Miss Daisey, I mean (My Mom) to Church in the '61. About a week before I had work done to the Carby. Everything was great untill half way to Moms, smoke was coming from the engine bay, I pulled over, switched the engine off & lifted the hood. I didn't have any means of stopping the burning of the Spark Plug Cables or the surrounding area. I stood back thinking of the worst, then this good samaritan pulled up & said he had his workshop around the corner & he was going to bring a fire extinguisher. I honestly thought it was going to blow up just like in the Movies, but he saved the day & put it out. The damage was the hood, the Engine Bay, all the Wires & Hoses. Even though the Engine Bay was good before, after pulling the motor out & having it painted the finish was much nicer.
                    Now to the cause of the fire. With my Bullet Birds Fuel Filter, it was between the Dizzy & the Carby. They worked out that the Fuel Filter wasn't tightened properly either the fumes or a slight leak & a spark fom the Dizzy got it started. In the meantime I found out that it wasn't uncommon with other cars going up the same way.
                    Because of this experience I had my Fuel Filter mounted around the back just in front of the Gas Tank.

                    Chris (1960 HT) From the Land of OZ

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                    • YellowRose
                      Super-Experienced


                      • Jan 21 2008
                      • 17061

                      #11
                      Battery Disconnect Switch/Start Lock

                      Hi Chris,

                      Thanks for the account of your problems with fire in your Tbird, and the cause. Which reminds me that I need to get a fire extinguisher in my Tbird! I am glad to hear that someone was close by to help you. Thanks for telling us what caused it. I had a see through fuel filter in the gas line coming up from the fuel pump. It developed a leak and was about to cause a similar problem. I took it off. There is a glass filter in the bottom of the fuel pump and that looks clean.

                      You laid an Aussie term on us that I dont understand. What is a Dizzy? You will have to educate us on that one! Or at least me! I am glad you were able to save the car.

                      Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
                      The Terminator..... VTCI #11178 ITC #6000 Yellow Mustang Registry (YMR) #12188
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                      • scumdog
                        Super-Experienced
                        • May 12 2006
                        • 1523

                        #12
                        To step in here: a dizzy or dissy is slang for a distributor in NZ/Australia.




                        Kiwi/Aussie word on left, Yank (USA) word on right:

                        A bonnet is a hood
                        A boot is a trunk
                        A gearstick is a shifter
                        A lug-wrench is wheel-brace
                        An indicator is a turn-signal
                        An accelerator is a gas-pedal
                        A Thunderbirder from the Land of the Long White Cloud.

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                        • bird 60
                          Super-Experienced
                          • Mar 18 2009
                          • 1131

                          #13
                          Thanks Scumdog, Having lived in CANADA for 6 years I thought I had learned all the North American Terminology, but I guess I didn't talk about (Dizzys) Distributors. Look at it this way through T.V. we have picked up so many U.S. words & God knows that, so to make it interesting we'll throw in the odd OZZY & KIWI word here & there to get you guys guessing.

                          Chris..your Mate from the Land of OZ

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                          • YellowRose
                            Super-Experienced


                            • Jan 21 2008
                            • 17061

                            #14
                            Battery Disconnect Switch/Start Lock

                            Thanks scumdog for the explanation! I am pleased with myself this morning because I guessed, but did not say it, that dizzy was the distributor. The rest on the list I knew, except one. Lug-wrench=wheel brace I missed. The rest I knew! Thanks for educating us this morning!

                            Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
                            The Terminator..... VTCI #11178 ITC #6000 Yellow Mustang Registry (YMR) #12188
                            Contact me via Private Message for my email address, or Call (Cell) 210-875-1411

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                            • scumdog
                              Super-Experienced
                              • May 12 2006
                              • 1523

                              #15
                              Originally posted by YellowRose
                              Thanks scumdog for the explanation! I am pleased with myself this morning because I guessed, but did not say it, that dizzy was the distributor. The rest on the list I knew, except one. Lug-wrench=wheel brace I missed. The rest I knew! Thanks for educating us this morning!
                              Thanks you guys!
                              And a couple or so of ones I forgot:

                              A gearbox is a transmission.
                              A manual gearbox is a stick-shift
                              A diff is a rear-end
                              A cross-ply is a bias-ply
                              An inner-guard is an inner-fender
                              A mud-guard is a fender
                              A sump is an oil-pan
                              Last edited by scumdog; April 9, 2009, 06:15 PM.
                              A Thunderbirder from the Land of the Long White Cloud.

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