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    Someone in Spain is trying to sell me the very same zipper top Thunderbird as is pictured elsewhere on this site.

    I know it's a scam ... but .... Maaaaaaannn!

  • #2
    RE: Guess what?

    Which zipper top is he trying to sell you? The silver 1958 that I photographed in Atlantic City or one of the Holman-Mooddy race cars of 1959?

    How did one of these cars end up in Spain?

    http://www.squarebirds.org/1958tbird_zipper.jpg

    Alexander
    1959 Hardtop
    1960 Golde Top
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    • #3
      RE: Guess what?

      >Which zipper top is he trying to sell you? The silver 1958
      >that I photographed in Atlantic City or one of the
      >Holman-Mooddy race cars of 1959?
      >
      The silver '58.

      >How did one of these cars end up in Spain?
      >
      That was my question too.

      The car was on Ebay and had SO many pictures, you'd have to think the seller really did have the car.

      About 4 hours before the auction ended, it was changed to "Pre-Approved" Bidders only. During the entire auction, most of the bids were cancelled by the seller for "not contacting me first.".

      I emailed asking what were the conditions of pre-approval but got no response.

      The car was pulled with 10 minutes remaining in the auction.

      Here's what I got in email a couple of days later:

      Hello,

      First you have to know the car is available on Ebay,but the bidding is restricted.First reason is because i had many problems with bidders in the past.I think they allways like to bid but not all the time like to buy.The auction is a buy it now one so,only one person can buy it.So i want to be sure the one wich will bid on it, will be the buyer.For that, you need just to be agree with my condition and the car will be yours.

      The CAR is in a perfect condition.

      It will be shipped from Lisboa,Portugal and I will pay the shipping and insurance charges.

      I told you I will pay for the shipping and insurence fees.

      Shipping: l will ship via Lufthansa Air Cargo but you can choose other mail carrier .lt

      usually takes 3-4 till the car arrives to your door. l will

      cover the shipping and insurance costs.

      Payment: l'm a serious seller with more than 2 years of experience in

      this field.

      l'm a fair trader with 100% positive feedback on eBay which is the

      proof that l have closed a lot of sucessful deals.

      During this period l learned that the best deals are closed when the

      risk involved is minimum.

      You will arrange payment trough western union(www.westernunion.com).

      I have something safe for you because I want you to be sure that

      you will receive the car and I hope we will colaborate in future

      too because I want to develop this bussines as soon as possible.

      Look what can I do for you:

      -you will make the transfer to my location but not to my name(you will

      use your best friends name for example as receiver's name)so you can be

      sure that I will not pick up the money untill you get the car.So

      you make a deposit at western union and you will

      give me the transfer's details so I can check on their site if itīs

      valid.

      After I verify I will send you the car imediately and email you the

      tracking number from Lufthansa.

      -only after you will receive the car and check it if it ok you will

      have to call at Western Union to change the transfer to my name so i can collect my

      money.So,untill you will have the car in to your door the money will

      be deposited on your best friend's name at western union agent.

      I think it is better to not inform western union that you will change

      the receivers name in a few days because they will ask you to pay the

      fees twice.

      My old buyers of course make the transfer at western union direct to my

      name which is easier and i will be happy if you can trust me and make

      the transfer on my details from the beginning but also because it is our

      first deal i proposed you this very safe and efficient

      method so you can only deposit the money first and after you get the

      car to allowed me to cash it.

      Probably this payment method it is not very familiar to you but since i

      am in Portugal (where is a lot of birocracy and this method is very used

      )l have used it for many times and each of my customers being

      satisfied and l have to admit that it is most efficient process to go

      trough.

      Return policy: In case you'll change your mind after receiving the

      car and want to cancel the order you'll ship it back and retreive

      the money from western union. Also in case the delivery does not arrive

      on time please email me and I'll contact the mail carrier.

      I look forward hearing from you.

      Best Regards!

      Unbelievable what some folks will try to pull.

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      • #4
        RE: Guess what?

        If you make a deal off eBay, you have no protection. The terms of payment sound fishy.

        Alexander
        1959 Hardtop
        1960 Golde Top
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        • #5
          RE: Guess what?

          >If you make a deal off eBay, you have no protection. The
          >terms of payment sound fishy.
          >
          Here's where it gets REALLY fishy. Sale price of $6000.00

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          • #6
            RE: Guess what?

            That is way too cheap. I know the engine compartment of that car is not as nice as the rest of it, but the conversion to zipper top is first rate.

            The car was in the select carpeted area of the Atlantic city convention center where they park the Packard Carribeans, full Classics and cars of that type - so I know it did not sell cheap.

            Alexander
            1959 Hardtop
            1960 Golde Top
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            • #7
              RE: Guess what?

              >That is way too cheap. I know the engine compartment of that
              >car is not as nice as the rest of it, but the conversion to
              >zipper top is first rate.
              >
              >The car was in the select carpeted area of the Atlantic city
              >convention center where they park the Packard Carribeans,
              >full Classics and cars of that type - so I know it did not
              >sell cheap.
              >
              Here's what I can tell you about the engine .. It had plain Ford blue valve covers. Correct?

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              • #8
                RE: Guess what?

                There has been several of these scams on e-bay...I have contacted e-bay about two of them just last week. This one is almost the same as the last one I saw, except it was for a 65 Mustang fastback for $6000.00. All the scammers want is your down money. As far as being protected, don't count on it, unless you buy insurance. e-bay can be a dangerous place.

                Alexander that is a great looking Bird, I love that silver paint, is it a stock ford paint or do you know?

                Steve Ronk
                Cedar Rapids, Iowa
                1960 HT 390, Edelbrock Performer RPM Intake, Shorty Headers, 2-1/2" Exhaust and 3.70 Rear Gears
                390, Mild Cam, Headers, 3.70 rear, 2-1/2" Exhaust, Edelbrok Performer RPM Intake, Holley Street Avenger 670 Carburetor, One Wire Alt, Petronix Ignition. She's All Go and No Show.

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                • #9
                  RE: Guess what?

                  >There has been several of these scams on e-bay...I have
                  >contacted e-bay about two of them just last week. This one
                  >is almost the same as the last one I saw, except it was for
                  >a 65 Mustang fastback for $6000.00. All the scammers want
                  >is your down money. As far as being protected, don't count
                  >on it, unless you buy insurance. e-bay can be a dangerous
                  >place.
                  >
                  Oh, I'm sure it's a scam. I've reported the "seller" to Yahoo since they happen to be using a Yahoo addy at the moment.

                  >Alexander that is a great looking Bird, I love that silver
                  >paint, is it a stock ford paint or do you know?
                  >
                  I'll tell you one thing ... That silver looked fantastic on all the pics I saw of that car when it was on Ebay. Kinda wish I copied them.

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                  • #10
                    RE: Guess what?

                    At Atlantic City the hood was never opened so I do not know the details other than what others who saw it told me.

                    Silver was a stock color in 1958 (Color code O - Platinum). Pictures of a hardtop in that color are at http://www.squarebirds.org/1958tbird_chubby.htm .

                    Alexander
                    1959 Hardtop
                    1960 Golde Top
                    Alexander
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                    • #11
                      RE: Guess what?

                      I think this is the original real ad here: http://adcache.collectorcartraderonl...2/64454032.htm

                      Incidentally plain valve covers without the FORD raised letters is correct on early production 1958 Thunderbirds.

                      Alexander
                      1959 Hardtop
                      1960 Golde Top
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                      • #12
                        RE: Guess what?

                        >I think this is the original real ad here:
                        >http://adcache.collectorcartraderonl...2/64454032.htm
                        >
                        >Incidentally plain valve covers without the FORD raised
                        >letters is correct on early production 1958 Thunderbirds.
                        >
                        Yep -- That's the link I sent you, and the pics there are all the same pics that were on Ebay.

                        I wasn't aware of the "blank" valve covers being correct. Thanks!

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                        • #13
                          RE: Guess what?

                          I think that this car is now listed for sale on Hemmings web site. Bill VE

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                          • #14
                            RE: Guess what?

                            >I think that this car is now listed for sale on Hemmings web
                            >site. Bill VE

                            That is probably one of the "real" for sale adverts because the car really is for sale. I saw it in all it's glory (it really is a beautiful car) on Collector Car Trader Online.

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                            • #15
                              RE: Guess what?

                              Alexander, definately a scam!!! There's an ascMcLaren on e-bay right NOW, for sale in England! The guy stole the photos off my message board for E-Bay. I called the owner. The car is in Niagra Falls, N.Y. as I type this in his garage!!!! All of those with western union and all that "I need to really know your are a buyer" deals are fake !!! I to wrote to e-bay! I don't think they really care, the problem has grown too large - too fast!!

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