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  • YellowRose
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    430 MEL Engine > AC Bracket for 430?

    As an update, I have re-contacted all 2 dozen plus contacts I have regarding the XE-48002 and the EDJ-2882-B York mounting bracket or the pulleys. So far, none have them have been able to find another one. I am still waiting for some answers from some of them.

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  • YellowRose
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    AC Bracket for 430

    Rob has just advised me the York mounting bracket XE-48002 arrived today. He pulled his pix that I had sent him of the EDJ-2882-B mounting bracket that Carl and Ken Harkema had sent me pix of and compared them. They are identical! Except for the side L mounting bracket. The one on the XE bracket looks different from the one on the pic of the pic from Ken and Carl. This XE-48002 York mounting bracket was taken off a 1958 AC equipped 430MEL Lincoln, so I gather that XE-48002 is a Lincoln part #... Here are some pix so you can see what both look like...
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  • YellowRose
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    AC Bracket for 430?

    Yes, Henry, I was speaking of zero fab work and OEM factory parts. There are other routes to go, as you mentioned, if you can find those parts. Like using the Chevy small block short 2 groove water pump pulley that Dwight told me about. Yes, someone with good metal working and welding skills can fab what they need in the way of a mounting bracket.

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  • OX1
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    Originally posted by YellowRose View Post
    this may be the last of the 430 non-AC to AC conversions we see being done.
    I'm not sure why you keep saying that. I offered several times the avenue of the E-bay Lincoln pump (lines right up with crank and gen pulleys) and used 3rd pulley off 60-64 Lincolns (which is pretty available). Then AC compressor just has to line up with 3rd lincoln pulley.

    With the crazy amount of fab work that goes into many of these rides I see on here, not sure why it's insurmountable for many to either fab an AC bracket, or have one done by someone.

    If you mean conversion with zero fab work and all factory parts, you may be right.

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  • YellowRose
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    AC Bracket for 430?

    Thanks, Henry for the update. Here is what I have found out. Neither of what I found were stamped EDJ-2882-B. One was that XE-48002 that looks just like the EDJ-2882-B and we will find out shortly if it is. Because it has been shipped to Rob, after comparing the pix that Ken Harkema, and Carol ~ partsetal sent us of what the EDJ bracket looks like. The only two in captivity that I know of belongs to Ken and to John at Tbird Ranch. Neither, of course, want to sell them because they intend to do the AC conversion on their 430's. I have contacted over 2 dozen of the best and least known used parts houses in the country, and asking each as I do, if they know someone who might have one, and getting a few more leads. But in turn, I am being told that the pulleys can no longer be found or that mounting bracket, but I am still looking because I have 2-3 people who are still looking through their parts.

    Today, Dwight at CAA told me that those of you who own the 352 w/o AC and want to go the CAA conversion route still can and here is what he said. The non-AC 352 has a single groove water pump pulley on it. Some of the people who have gone this route with the 352 Squarebirds have bought the Small Block Chevy Short Water Pump 2 groove 3876846 pulley. That pulley is 6.3" in diameter, has the same holes needed to make that pulley work, and slips right on to give them the 3 grooves they need. He also said that if the car has PS, that is taken into account also. He then said they already have the necessary mounting bracket for the 352. So if you have a non-AC 352 Squarebird, you should be able to do the CAA or VA AC conversion as along as that Chevy pulley is available and it seems to be readily available. The problem is they do not have it for the 430, and now the mounting bracket AND the WP pulleys are very difficult to be found...

    Henry I am certainly keeping you in mind for that mounting bracket, but it is not looking good and this may be the last of the 430 non-AC to AC conversions we see being done.
    Last edited by YellowRose; August 3, 2018, 04:12 PM. Reason: Additional Information

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  • OX1
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    Originally posted by YellowRose View Post
    I think he still needs the pulleys, as does Henry - OX1. I am still looking for them and have a lead on the Lincoln AC pulleys. I know where they are still on a '58 (I think) Lincoln in a parts yard.

    Here is what we seem to be facing regarding finding more EDJ-2882-B
    Really appreciate all the digging you are doing.

    Just for clarification, I don't need any pulleys. I would like an
    EDJ-2882-B if you locate one, but I can fab my own compressor bracket if I have too.

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  • YellowRose
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    430 MEL Engine > AC Bracket for 430?

    I thought I would give you an update on the search for 352 & 430 mounting brackets and water pump pulleys. I have been successful in finding only 2 EDJ-2882-B 430 York mounting brackets so far, one which I am still trying to get information on. Actually, one of them that I thought was that mounting bracket turns out to be a XE-48002 mounting bracket off a '58 430 Lincoln I think the guy said. However, comparing it to pix that Ken Harkema and Carl Heller sent me, and pix the seller sent, it looks identical to the Ford 430 version. I have only been able to find one set of 430 AC water pump pulleys so far. I have been able to put Rob into position to start installing his CAA "Perfect Fit" system shortly. Thanks to Carl Heller, he was able to supply Rob with the 2 groove and the 1 groove 430 AC pulleys needed. The last two that Carl had. Yesterday, Rob was able to buy the York mounting bracket from one of my sources.

    As far as I know, we have 3 members in the process of installing CAA AC kits on Squarebirds. Kyle ~ Derbird is working on his '59 430, and you have probably seen the pix that he has posted on how he is making his mounting bracket and compressor cradle. He has not posted newer pix, but he has done some more welding, not just spot welds, to make it stronger. So he, with his metal working and welding abilities is doing what Dave suggested in making his own mounting bracket and in his case, going to a cradle arrangement, which looks nice. I think he still needs the pulleys, as does Henry - OX1. I am still looking for them and have a lead on the Lincoln AC pulleys. I know where they are still on a '58 (I think) Lincoln in a parts yard.

    Here is what we seem to be facing regarding finding more EDJ-2882-B or Lincoln York mounting brackets, and Ford or Lincoln water pump pulleys. This information comes about after contacting and talking with some 20 people or companies, some very well known, others not so well known. People or company's that deal in used Ford or Lincoln parts. First of all we are looking for parts that were not all that readily available in the first place because of low production numbers of AC equipped Squarebirds and Lincolns. Since 1958-1960, these cars have been slowly disappearing from the scene. Especially in recent years as more old junkers have been crushed out of existence. Talking with people like Carl Heller, who has been supplying Squarebirds parts for years, his supply of mounting brackets and pulleys is now kaput.. Speaking with Bob Jursinski in Ohio, he of the some 300 cars on his lot, he tells me the same thing. He could not find a thing amongst his parts that we need. He said that for years CAA would tell their customers to contact him to get the mounting bracket and pulleys needed. That was all well and good until he ran out of those parts, which he has. John Draxler and others tell me the same thing..

    So it appears, unless someone we don't know of is sitting on a gold mine of these parts, we may be seeing the day when there will not be anymore Squarebird owners converting their non-AC birds to a CAA or Vintage Air aftermarket AC system due to lack of brackets and pulleys. Oh you could make your own bracket, or buy one of several cradle arrangements, but you still need an adapter, or the OEM 352 or 430 mounting bracket. But then, why bother if you can no longer find the right pulleys? I might be able to find one or two still but it has been very difficult to do so, so far. The demand, which has never been high, seems to have about outstripped the supply, which was never the greatest in the first place. But I will keep looking for those two members still needing parts.

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  • YellowRose
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    AC Bracket for 430?

    Hi Mike, thanks for posting that! I do not know how I missed seeing that, but I did. That might be a good way to go for all concerned..

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  • Wyldie
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    Originally posted by simplyconnected View Post

    I ran into the fordification forum where one of their members fabricates and sells Sanden air conditioning compressor brackets for FE engines. CLICK HERE This bracket looks sturdy and well-made. Certainly, one can be fabricated for a MEL 430 engine. - Dave
    I made a post on here about this bracket that Tyler made on the fordification forum a couple of months ago, didn't get much feedback, I've ordered one should see it this week. I really like the idea of a low mount compressor, plus I can retro fit an alternator with it.

    Will let you all know how I go

    http://www.squarebirds.org/vbulletin...t=21208&page=2

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  • YellowRose
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    AC Bracket for 430?

    Thanks, Dave, for posting this information! This may be the way to go for the 430 owners.. Great information.

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  • simplyconnected
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    I'm going to stick my neck out again with some words of caution, in hopes it will save you time and money:

    Classic Auto Air sells Sanden air conditioning compressors. Their 'adapter' plate is supposed to transition between a Ford mount (Tecumseh or York) and CAA's Sanden.

    While all this sounds complicated, It doesn't need to be if you make your own bracket. That's right, instead of doing all the transitions, fabricate (or have someone fabricate) a bracket that mounts to your engine as it holds the compressor you will use. That way you don't need a bracket and an adapter.

    I had a long discussion about this with Ray because the information he had was not my experience. He spoke with CAA to confirm, they do not have anything to do with Ford brackets and they don't have Ford part numbers because they don't deal with Ford's compressors at all, just their own Sanden brand.

    I ran into the fordification forum where one of their members fabricates and sells Sanden air conditioning compressor brackets for FE engines. CLICK HERE This bracket looks sturdy and well-made. Certainly, one can be fabricated for a MEL 430 engine. - Dave

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  • YellowRose
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    AC Bracket for 430?

    I found one for sale for $175.... and it was turned down because it will NOT work with the CAA adapter mounting kit. It looks nothing like what has to be found to match up with their CAA mounting kit.... Take a look at the EDJ-2882-B pix and then the 2882 pic. You will see there is no way the EDJ-2882-B piece will mount to that 2882 mounting bracket.

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  • OX1
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    Originally posted by YellowRose View Post
    I FOUND one off a 1959 Lincoln Continental. EDJ-2882-B
    You found one for sale, or just found one?

    I want to use the stock compressor (for looks)
    with the rest of the classicautoair setup.
    I have called them and they said they would
    sell me the kit that way.

    I could make my own bracket, but would rather not.

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  • YellowRose
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    AC Bracket for 430?

    Henry, I do not know the answer to that question... Here is an update on the search for a EDJ-2882-B support mounting bracket. I FOUND one off a 1959 Lincoln Continental. However, it is NOT the mounting bracket that CAA needs to mount their mounting bracket kit to. Yes, that bracket is used on the 1958-1959 Lincoln and the 1959-1960 Tbird, with the OEM compressor that came with the car. The CAA uses Sanden compressors. I had thought they were using York or Tecomseh, but that was incorrect. That EDJ-2882-B is elongated and not square or rectangular in shape as the mounting bracket needed to mount their mounting bracket to, that mounts on that York compressor. So it was a wild goose chase for nothing, but one heck of a learning experience. Below I will post some pix of the CAA mounting adapter that attaches to the compressor and also the 2882 flat, squared mounting bracket we need to bolt to it. That way you can see how different they are to the EDJ-2882-B.

    Kyle tells me that he has the ability and skills to make his own bracket and will probably go that route after he gets the CAA Perfect Fit. He will scope things out and see how to mock up a mounting bracket that will work. He has the pix of what the 2882 in the picture below looks like and the CAA adapter mounting bracket. We just do not have the measurements yet, but will be able to get the measurements of the CAA adapter bracket that comes with the kit from it.

    Here are some pix... First is that EDJ-2882-B I found. You can see that though it is correct for 1958-1960, it certainly is NOT the shape of the support mounting bracket that will match up with their adapter kit. Then the CAA 7-182 or 7-183 adapter kit mount that attaches to their CAA Sanden compressors. Lastly, the 2882 is the mounting bracket that CAA says we need, but they do not make. As you can see, that 2882 bolts right onto their CAA 7-182 or 7-183 adapter mount. I am told that a York or Tecumseh compressor back then should have that flat 2882 bracket attached that you see in the bottom picture. If so grab it and see if you can find the Ford part # off it.
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    Last edited by YellowRose; June 2, 2017, 01:52 PM. Reason: Corrections

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  • OX1
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    Originally posted by YellowRose View Post
    EDJ-2882-B off a '59 or '60 Squarebird
    Is that bracket supposed to bolt on over the PS bracket that bolts to front of block?

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