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  • #31
    I did the brakes lines on my Peugeot 203 back in 1987 and I know I can do it. It's also a quick work PROVIDING you don't miss a part or a tool and this is my real concern today.
    A day work can easily end in a 2 months work if you have to order missing parts...
    Working on the list right now.

    As for the lines on my car they are new or at least in extremely good condition.
    Last edited by Eric S; September 24th, 2019, 11:26 AM.

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    • #32
      As with all mechanical, electrical and plumbing jobs, you need to lay out your materials BEFORE you start. Working out of a 'grab bag' of parts will always get you in trouble. Plan you job and take pictures along the way. Mount all your devices FIRST then plumb to them. Ex: Plumbers always mount the fixtures where they go then plumb to them. Electricians mount their devices first, then wire them.

      Know where you want your combination valve, tee (for the brake switch), rubber hose brackets, etc., before you start. A good plumbing job always includes mounting brackets and supports as well. (...same with electrical work.)

      Retrofitting power front disc brakes is done in three parts:
      • Preparing spindles and mounting caliper brackets,
      • mounting the firewall bracket and booster and finally,
      • plumbing new lines.
      Missing or incomplete parts in any of these three stages will tie up your job. Difficult? I did my retrofit (the whole thing including rear axle plumbing) in four hours using simple hand tools like the ones shown in my video.

      We use salt on our icy roads in Detroit so my steel lines were trash. USE your discarded lines to practice bending. The more you do it the better you become and 'practice mistakes' cost nothing. - Dave
      My latest project:
      CLICK HERE to see my custom hydraulic roller 390 FE build.

      "We've got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?"
      --Lee Iacocca

      From: Royal Oak, Michigan

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      • #33
        I totally agree with you Dave. But I still need to have the right parts and tools at hand before I start or I won't be able to do much work in 4 hours if a nut is missing.
        Car comes from Arizona, I doubt they use much salt on their trails down there. But in any case it's not a big deal to draw new lines.
        But as I said, right now I am trying to source the parts and tools...
        Still waiting to hear from MBM and PirateJack...

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        • #34
          Please understand, there is no 'one-stop shop' or kit for retrofitting power disc brakes on a Squarebird. Many of our members have already gone through this process so we know it works. There are different ways using different parts. Some use the Granada spindles, calipers, pads, etc. Some use Scarebird spindle brackets with S-10 calipers and pads. I did one of each on my classic Fords and I have no preference. Cost is widely different because one system uses some boneyard parts but as far as performance, they are the same.

          The 'list' you refer to accommodates all the parts that either system uses. In short, it covers them all but it is only a list of parts, not an instruction sheet. No, we won't shorten the list for one specific system. The main idea is to supply a power disc brake system as inexpensively as possible because no kit is available for our members.

          Anyone doing a brake retrofit MUST know what he is doing. If you're the type who changes his oil but catches the garage on fire, this isn't for you. Hire a competent mechanic. Having said that, you may learn about these systems before ordering parts. Learn about things like, Bench Bleeding a Master Cylinder because most of us never see a 'dry' M/C. Most of us never adjusted a booster output shaft, etc.

          Those of us who already went through this are here to answer your questions which can save you a lot of money, frustration and time. If you have your own ideas, then that is up to you. All I can say is, I never heard anyone say they will go back to drum brakes. My classic Ford cars will put you through the windshield when I do a power stop with my power front disc brakes. - Dave
          My latest project:
          CLICK HERE to see my custom hydraulic roller 390 FE build.

          "We've got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?"
          --Lee Iacocca

          From: Royal Oak, Michigan

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          • #35
            A mechanic may well come to help me installing the parts but I need to have everything on the shelf for the big day.

            I sourced most of the big parts. Here are the small bits from the list that still need to be found :
            - Scarebird Mounting Brackets Can you give a part number from Scarebird?
            - Brake Hose Mounting Clip can probably be locally sourced. Can I get a picture?
            - 3/8" Metal or Plastic Tee for the booster vacuum hose. Can I get a picture?

            After I got these, I may be all set.

            Thank for your help.

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            • #36
              Eric, here are answers to two of the questions you asked, and a picture of the Brake Hose Mounting Clip.

              The Scarbird GXY 1958-1960 Tbird Mounting Brackets

              https://scarebird.com/index.php?rout...product_id=224

              Here is a couple of pix of the brake hose mounting clip. I am trying to find a source for them.


              Last edited by YellowRose; September 27th, 2019, 09:55 AM.

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              • #37
                OK So I don't need those parts.
                That leaves only - 3/8" Metal or Plastic Tee for the booster vacuum hose.

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                • #38
                  That brake house mounting bracket, I think, was already there for the drum brakes. I think it is an SAE bracket.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Eric S View Post
                    OK So I don't need those parts.
                    That leaves only - 3/8" Metal or Plastic Tee for the booster vacuum hose.
                    You only need the tee if you are going to reuse the metal vacuum can inside the fender well. I don't see any need to reuse it. The booster's job is to hold enough vacuum in reserve. If you really want to reuse the vacuum can those tees are common parts that are found in any auto store even in your country. I would just eliminate the vacuum can as it's one more possible point of failure.

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                    • #40
                      When I use the MC1321ACH booster, with the PB8537C booster, do they fit on each other without any adapter and did tHe booster fit the car's factory bracket without any adapter?
                      Also can I get some pictures of this set up used on cars, I would like to have ideas of how they look as I am not sure if I get them chromed or black and aluminium...

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                      • #41
                        Eric, here is what my chromed dual MC/Dual 8" Power Booster looked like installed. However, in my case, because I had AC on the car, I used an adjustable mounting bracket that made especially for me to clear the AC plenum box. Some of the others, without AC, or with AC, used different mounting brackets. Some used the ABS system, as I recall, because they are the only one I know of who provides a mounting bracket designed to clear that AC plenum box... They do NOT sell that mounting bracket separately...

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                        • #42
                          Thank you for the pictures. Not sure to understand though. Can I install the new booster on the factory bracket? Do I need a new bracket? None was listed on the list of parts or I may have missed it.
                          Also what bracket did you used to hold the valve?
                          My car has no air conditioning.
                          Last edited by Eric S; September 30th, 2019, 02:02 PM.

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                          • #43
                            The MBM booster does not come with any bracket as far as I know. You have to cut the bracket off your old booster if you have one and use that. In this case I recommend using the ABS booster combo or the one that TBird HQ sells. They come with the correct bracket.

                            John
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                            • #44
                              I used the published list in the members only section to gather the parts and tools I need and there is no word of the brackets. I am wondering what other parts are missing??

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                              • #45
                                MBM is advising the following parts for a T Bird applicaiton, is any one has any experience with those parts, why use those or others? :
                                Booster Pb7001 : http://mbmbrakes.com/universal-7-sin...phragm-booster
                                Master Cylinder Mc1505 : http://mbmbrakes.com/universal-1-bor...leeder-screws/
                                Booster bracket Bprp6570 : http://mbmbrakes.com/bprp6570-1965-1...oster-bracket/
                                Pedal Extension Pre101 : http://mbmbrakes.com/universal-2-1-2...rod-extension/
                                Pedal Rod Extension Pre5564 : http://mbmbrakes.com/universal-4-3-4...rod-extension/
                                Pedal Rod Extension again Pre-107: http://mbmbrakes.com/universal-3-1-8...n-with-eyelet/
                                Proportionning Valve Pv2k-2bm : http://mbmbrakes.com/gm-bottom-mount...-drum-brass-1/

                                The proportional valve comes with the bracket to hold it on the booster.
                                I still have to receive the booster bracket dimensions to check hood clearance.
                                But again anyone advise is welcome.

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