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Old 06-03-2009, 03:27 PM
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I have a stock 1959 Tbird and recently I took it in to get the brakes repaired. The mechanic has informed me that the engine block is cracked, the master mounts have both been ripped out, the cylinder black around the heater is cracked amongst other things.

They have advised me to get a new engine. They can get me a brand new short block with new pistons, new rods, new cam shaft and valves etc for $3300 CAD plus tax and then they can get me a new carburetor, ignition and water pump etc. to complete the engine.

Does anyone know if it's possible to buy complete engines for a 59 Tbird? If so, where would you look?

I'm also grateful for any advice from people who have had the experience of having to replace their original engine with a new one and what pitfalls to look out for and what you would do differently if you could do it again.
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Old 06-03-2009, 03:55 PM
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The first thing I would do is to take it to another shop, preferably a good Ford engine mechanic and get a second opinion... If you get the same results, try looking at some of these companies that supply 352 engine.. This is what I found when I Googled 352 engines.. I hope some of our more knowledgeable techies will be able to give you some good advice.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
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Old 06-03-2009, 04:14 PM
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yes as ray said take it someplace else
first did you drive it to the shop? was it far? did the car get hot or act like it was running odd or funny because from your description its sounds like the engine should be falling out on the ground almost
did you ask them to show you the cracks? because MOST cracks in the engine arent really visable with the naked eye especailly in a 50 plus year old car with built up road grime and such all over it

does the car loose alot of oil or antifreeze or have smoke coming out from under the hood?
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Get a second opinion, please. From the sound of it, it seems as though all of the areas where the "cracks" are are notorious for collecting road grime. Could be that the mechanic is seeing oil there and just assuming it's coming from the engine.

My father was told he needed a new engine in his Ranger when it lost compression in one cylinder. They were ready to order the new engine and charge him $3k when he decided to take it home and look at it himself. End result, it cost him $7.... it was a broken valve spring... that's it. Odds are that if he didn't get a second opinion, the dealership would have replaced the engine without even popping the valve cover off.

Moral of the story... please see the first sentence of paragraph 1.
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Get a second opinion, please. From the sound of it, it seems as though all of the areas where the "cracks" are are notorious for collecting road grime. Could be that the mechanic is seeing oil there and just assuming it's coming from the engine.

Moral of the story... please see the first sentence of paragraph 1.
Yep, and is this a mechanic you don't have a relationship with?

I took my olds to a national tire shop because I was looking to change the wheels and get new tires. After looking at the car for wheel fitment, their mechanic informed me that my car needed one new ball joint, two new tie rod ends a new idler arm and an alignment. They presented me the estimate and wanted to know if they should get the part coming......

Two weeks earlier I had just finished installing a full conversion over to tall spindles, new upper tubular a arms, custom lower stock a arms, new ball joints, tie rod ends, alignment and yep, idler arm.....

Unless I know the mechanic, or have been referred to him by a friend that would know the level of honesty, I rarely believe what an unknown one tells me.....

Just remember the mechanic is your cars physician, treat him the way you would a physician you weren't sure about... get a second opinion.
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Old 06-03-2009, 05:59 PM
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There is a 64, 390 engine in my 58 due to the same reason, the former owner informed me.
Mine was changed and totally overhauled 5 years ago and works fine.
I beleve all FE engines fit.
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Can you jack it up and get us some digital pictures of the areas in question??? Clean them up with some degreaser if no one has done this.
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HUH Master mounts ripped out????????? Maybe it needs motor mounts. Run away from there as fast as that t-bird will take ya!
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Thank you for all your replies.

No, I haven't taken it anywhere else yet. That's a very good suggestion and I'm going to do that.

I did not drive it to the shop because there were quite literally no brakes. I'm talking foot to the floor and there aint' nothin' happnin'. I got a flat bed to take it in. It needs a new master cylinder for the brakes is what I can definitely tell you so far.

The car did not get hot nor was it running odd or funny. Although, recently something odd did start happening - namely - when I put it in reverse, there was a half second pause and then THUD! it suddenly hit reverse hard.

I have not seen the cracks - another good point. However, the mechanic said he didn't see it either until he put some kind of fluid through to make them visible.

The car does have an oil leak but it doesn't lose anti-freeze and there is no smoke coming out from the hood.

I do not have any kind of relationship with this mechanic. He's one of about three local vendors that specialises in classic cars.

I'm going to get him to fix the brakes and then I'm going to take it somewhere else. I'll also take some pics of the areas in question if I can and post them here (if that's possible).

To be continued..... Thanks once again to all.
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Old 06-03-2009, 07:44 PM
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Please get a second opinion. This mechanic may know what he is talking about, also he may have seen dollar signs when you pulled into his shop.
I hope he was wrong!
I had a camper with a 460 in it. Dropped a valve in Georgia going to Florida. It took me three cases of oil and about two days to get her home, she never quit. Coming home NASCAR drivers doing burnout's on the track had nothing on me. You could not see anything behind me for the smoke.
I bought a new Jasper engine. We went through four of there engines and about $11,000 dollars before we got one that stayed together. They were junk! We got rid of it because I was afraid to take it anywhere.
I SHOULD HAVE GOT SECOND OPINION!!!
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