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Old 08-06-2007, 01:08 PM
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JohnG:

I took a run to Auto Zone this morning.

The 58-60 352 and 430 use the same filters in all brands. What you said about filtration makes sense.

I change my oil every 3 months (never reaches 3K miles). I've been using MotorCraft ($3.99), but just bought the Mobil 1 ($9.99) because it will filter better to 10-20 microns. The $5 difference once in 3 months is well worth it to me.

The small particles in the engine that aren't filtered through the MotorCraft paper filter, should now be filtered out using the Mobil 1 with a finer synthetic filter.


Based on the studies, Ford Mustang Web Site comments, and the Part numbers on the filters ----

58-60 Thunderbird Filters 352 and 430: These are readily available in at AutoZone, and other similar stores.

Recommended filters:

Mobil 1: Synthetic filter element, uses top bi-pass valve. Very high filtration capability. This filter is built like a tank -- it weighs in at 6 Ounces heavier than the MotorCraft on my scale. # M1-301 ($9.99 at AutoZone)

K&N: Synthetic filter element, uses top bi-pass valve. This filter is built very much like the Mobil 1. But, it uses a nut welded to the base instead of serated edges to tighten the filter. That could be good or bad. # HP-3001 ($11.99)

MotorCraft: Paper filter, uses top bi-pass valve. This is a good quality filter, but just doesn't have as fine a filtration capability as either the Mobil 1 or K&N. #FL-1A ($3.99)


Non-Recommended filters:

Fram: Paper element, not as much filter material, cardboard end caps on filter element that can come appart.

Penzoil: Made by Fram -- "A Fram filter with yellow paint".

Purolator Pure One: Similar to the MotorCraft, BUT uses a non-Ford approved bottom bi-pass valve.

Amsoil: Uses a non-Ford approved bottom bi-pass valve.

References:

1. Engine Oil Filters Overview
http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters.html

2. Engine Oil Filter Study
http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y.html#mc-fl1a

3. Oil and Oil Filter 101
http://www.shoclub.com/lubrication-o...n-oilpart5.htm

4. Mustang Web Site (Thanks JohnG)
http://www.mustangforums.com/m_664012/tm.htm
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Is that the latest & greatest info on the Ford/Motorcraft filter? I thought they were rated up there with Delco having the best rating. I might switch to that Mobil-1 filter (at least in the V10)

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hi Bart

A big Thank You!! you have done valuable work here!

Now I know exactly what filter to get in Autozone which makes the job a piece of cake. (M1-301 ). There are several around here. I change the oil about once a year as I only put 3K miles on it per year and have no reluctance at all to spend the difference.

Now, some questions for a couple of you. My motor has 3200 total miles on it since a complete rebuild. It has had 2 oil changes (300 miles, 2800 miles) and I have been using conventional 10W-30 oil. On the next oil change, should

a) go to synthetic

b) if Yes, which synthetic and what weight ??

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John Byers:

The Delco "UltraGuard" (NOT DuraGuard) was actually rated somewhat better than the Mobil 1 on filtration. Problem is -- the Ultraguard had reports of leaking problems at the top seam, and you can't find them (so they say). The Duraguard wasn't a player in better filtration.

So, the Mobil 1 wins by default.

JohnG:

Pandora's box is about to be open on the oil thing?

When you rebuilt your engine, are your valves stock, or hardened -- whatever?
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Valves? I used stainless valves and had hardened valve seats inserted. (have an extra set of seats if anyone needs them...). I know there has been considerable debate on the unleaded gas/valves/seats topic ; I took the most conservative route.
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That's good. Just asking.

I know that my engine was rebuilt, but since the owner was deceased, I don't know when, or if hardened seats were installed.
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Found this very nice 60 on E-Bay. One photo caught my eye.

Do you see what I see? --

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LOL!! I see ORANGE!!! =oP
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not only is it a lousy oil filter, but the color clashes.........
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I thought that I should share this.

I bought my 60 HT 430 about 2 years ago. From the very beginning, it had one "ticking" lifter on #2 cylinder. Drove me crazy to hear that ONE lifter.

I tried changing the oil weight from 10W40 to 20W 50, and still the same. I also tried an oil additive, and changed the oil again after a few days -- still the same. Each time that I changed the oil, I put in a new MotorCraft FL1-A filter.

Two weeks ago, I decided to change oil and use a Mobil 1 filter. After 2 days, the ticking on #2 cylinder stopped. It hasn't ticked again since then.

Was this a just a coincidence; or the result of cleaner oil because of better filtration? -- I don't know.

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