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Old 02-25-2018, 10:01 PM
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Is there anyone with a 351w swapped into their square bird who might let me pick their brain a bit? When digging into my 352 today I found some issues and I have a nearly fresh 351W that I am now considering dropping in. I know I would get into some fabrication which isnít a big deal, I just want to do some homework before I decide which direction to go. Thanks in advance.
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Old 02-25-2018, 10:53 PM
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I would use an AOD with that SBF engine. The rest is straight forward.
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I see that Dave suggested going with an AOD tranny with that 351. Here is a good overview of the AOD and what years to look for one out of a Ford, Lincoln, Mercury V8 truck or car.

https://www.hemmings.com/magazine/hm...n/1814951.html
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Thanks. I was originally thinking C6 but the overdrive would definitely be nice since we want to take some extended cruises.
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check out the W in this car
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Terms such as: "drop-in", and "straight forward" in such a conversion may be over simplifying a proper execution of such. But, as long as: "some fabrication isn't a big deal", well......., O.K. . But be aware, NOTHING associated with the F.E. engine will just, "bolt-up", to the Windsor engine.

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I understand all the FE stuff will go. Fabrication isnít an issue. Iím a competent welder and have built and raced several circle track cars over the years. I just want to get some insight from people who have been down this road before I set out about reinventing the wheel.
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Thanks. I was originally thinking C6 but the overdrive would definitely be nice since we want to take some extended cruises.
See? Everyone has a different agenda. I used the AOD with a 4:30 RE, which turned my 351W into a torque monster. I still used it to commute over two interstate highways to Dearborn. This isn't vacation-type of driving but frequently went over 80-mph for 15 miles.

Overdrive is great to have regardless of how you use it. BTW, it sounds like you know what you're doing, Pager. Of all the engines out there I love the 351W the most. Parts are out there and at good prices. Same goes for the AOD. - Dave
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See? Everyone has a different agenda. I used the AOD with a 4:30 RE, which turned my 351W into a torque monster.
When I was looking, it was tough to get a built AOD that
kept the lockup converter for more than 350ish HP. This
was about 7 years ago, but I think most recommend
eliminating lockup if going much over that. I wanted to
keep the lockup, so that was a a major concern for me.
Not a big deal HPwise I guess if it's mostly a stockish W.

My parts car has a 390/AOD and they used a modern floor
shift out of something, and a modified stock console.


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Pageracing, and anybody else that has or going to do this swap. I've located a 351 W that I'm going to build and put in my '59 squarebird later this year. And I'm mainly going to do it hoping for better gas mileage. So, what can I expect gas mileage wise from a mild build, 351 W ? Aluminum heads, mild RV type cam for torque, boring if needed for clean up. My car is standard shift and want to keep it, so I'm also looking for a 5 speed. Not racing this car, just cruising and high way driving. My 390 is a good running engine, appears to be a rebuilt short block with original heads put back on (and no work done on them). But it seems to have a real aggressive cam in it, and I'm only getting about 12 mpg. And I don't see getting much more mileage even changing cam and heads. And about the 351, I've gotten opinions from probably not any better mileage, to probably 18 mpg. One guy even suggested mid 20's if it the 351 had fuel injection. And I'm thinking of using the FiTech fuel injection for it. Please give me some feedback here guys. Thanks.
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