This will take you to the main site where there is history, technical information and other information on these cars.
This takes you back to the main page of the forums.
This is the control panel to change your password, information and preferences on this message board.
Click here if your lost your password or need to register on this message board. You must be a registered user to post. Registration is free.
Search this board for information you need.
Click here to buy cool Squarebirds mechandise.
Click here to support Squarebirds.org. For $20 annually receive 20mBytes webspace, a Squarebirds e-mail address and member's icon on the message board.
  #1  
Old 12-29-2016, 06:35 PM
Deanj Deanj is offline
Experienced
 
Join Date: Nov 26 2015
Posts: 377
Deanj is on a distinguished road
Default Reproduction Door Scuff Plates

Do I have to say many reproduction parts are a huge disappointment? Mac's, Larry's, The Bird House, Dennis Carpenter: Do you guys hear us? I replaced the door scuff plates on my 1960 with Mac's version of the Taiwan reproduction. These are not an exact, nor even a 95% replica of the originals. The piece is much more shallow and wider front to back. It fits after re-drilling the non-matching holes with a 11/64 bit to fit the new larger diameter screws (extra cost). The same goes for door weather stripping. It doesn't matter if you purchase the USA made rubber or not. The dog leg is unacceptable.

We would gladly pay for quality parts if you buy these for re-sale. If not, how about soliciting and publishing reviews of the part so we don't waste good money on stuff Ford would have rejected.

I know I'm going to get a lesson on why I voted Trump here, but in this computer age this shouldn't happen even if these parts were made in Timbuktu.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-29-2016, 08:53 PM
jopizz's Avatar
jopizz jopizz is offline
Excellent Auto Mechanic for over 40 years.
 
Join Date: Nov 23 2009
Posts: 4,874
jopizz is on a distinguished road
Default

My problem is with Ford. If you are going to force manufacturers to pay you to reproduce parts at least make sure those parts are acceptable and not junk.

John
__________________
John Pizzi - Squarebirds Administrator
1959 Convertible

Thunderbird Registry #36223
jopizz@verizon.net 856-779-9695

http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-30-2016, 12:21 AM
Dan Leavens's Avatar
Dan Leavens Dan Leavens is offline
Moderator / Administrator
 
Join Date: Oct 4 2006
Posts: 4,575
Dan Leavens is on a distinguished road
Cool

John I agree you are right on the money ( no pun intended ) with your statement.
__________________
Dano Calgary,Alberta Canada
Thunderbird Registry
58HT #33317
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-30-2016, 12:46 AM
YellowRose's Avatar
YellowRose YellowRose is offline
Super-Experienced and a HELLOFA nice guy
 
Join Date: Jan 21 2008
Posts: 11,930
YellowRose is on a distinguished road
Default Reproduction Door Scuff Plates

To prevent from having that problem when I was doing the restoration and customization of my Yellow Rose, I took those door scuff plates off and had them chromed along with other interior parts I was having chromed. When I got them back, I covered them with a clear sealer tape so that when I stepped on that area they would not get scuffed. They look great still...
__________________

Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
'59 Tbird "The Yellow Rose Of Texas" aka "Tweety Bird"
"It's Hip To Be Square"
Thunderbird Registry #33025 VTCI #11178

rayclark07"at"att.net (Home) 210-674-5781 (Cell) 210-875-1411
http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-30-2016, 12:19 PM
Deanj Deanj is offline
Experienced
 
Join Date: Nov 26 2015
Posts: 377
Deanj is on a distinguished road
Default

First, anyone know where I start at FoMoCo to get someone to listen to us? When I owned nothing but Chevys and Pontiacs, I read Ford and their dealers were superior with helping owners restore their vintage Fords. I walked into a large dealership who asked me for a vin number when I needed seat bolts. Silly me headed to Lowe's.

Second, I still say the retailers need to offer reviews on parts. I think these scuff plates are sprayed with silver paint at best. These don't look that bad, just the fact that the outer edge sticks out away from the rocker by 1/2 or 3/4 of an inch.

Lastly, I like the idea of chroming or re-finishing my old plates if I could restore all the dings, dents, and screw-ups in the first place.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-30-2016, 01:25 PM
jopizz's Avatar
jopizz jopizz is offline
Excellent Auto Mechanic for over 40 years.
 
Join Date: Nov 23 2009
Posts: 4,874
jopizz is on a distinguished road
Default

I doubt you'll get anywhere with Ford. In this age of cost cutting I'm pretty sure Ford isn't going to pay someone to make sure the quality of 60 year old parts meets anyone's expectations. Your only hope was to send them back to the vendor and tell them the quality is unacceptable. If they get enough complaints they will either get the manufacturer to correct the defects or get a new manufacturer.

John
__________________
John Pizzi - Squarebirds Administrator
1959 Convertible

Thunderbird Registry #36223
jopizz@verizon.net 856-779-9695

http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-30-2016, 03:19 PM
Deanj Deanj is offline
Experienced
 
Join Date: Nov 26 2015
Posts: 377
Deanj is on a distinguished road
Default

John, you're right and I feel obsolete. No wonder some people don't retire. It looks like it's up to the retailers to make a difference, which is where I started.

I love old cars, old music, and old movies because these still have value and substance I can't find in today's products. Oh, I know modern car's quality and thrift can't be beat, but I decided to sell my 2000 Corvette and buy a Squarebird because transportation alone never fulfilled my desire in cars. I like 1953-82 Corvettes because of their personality. That encompasses styling and performance. The same applies to 1955-67 Thunderbirds. Did I say I like making them better when I can? And that requires good parts.

I put over $5,000 into my car in the first year. It was easy and the car was in good condition to start. Some bogus parts couldn't be returned as there's some destruction during the fit process-like the weather stripping. Lessons learned.

I'll let it go now. Thanks again.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-30-2016, 03:58 PM
jopizz's Avatar
jopizz jopizz is offline
Excellent Auto Mechanic for over 40 years.
 
Join Date: Nov 23 2009
Posts: 4,874
jopizz is on a distinguished road
Default

Dean,

I've used quite a few reproduction parts over the years and it's hit and miss regarding the quality. Some parts are equal or even superior to the originals in some cases. When it comes to the scuff plates I was appalled at how poorly they were made. In all the cars I've redone I've either reused the originals by buffing and hammering out the dents or I've found good used ones.

I don't consider myself obsolete because I enjoy old things as you do. To me it's all about style, whether it's cars, music or movies. It either has it or it doesn't.

John
__________________
John Pizzi - Squarebirds Administrator
1959 Convertible

Thunderbird Registry #36223
jopizz@verizon.net 856-779-9695

http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-31-2016, 12:09 PM
Deanj Deanj is offline
Experienced
 
Join Date: Nov 26 2015
Posts: 377
Deanj is on a distinguished road
Default

One last question is are the 1960 originals anodized? Or polished aluminum? I've read some controversy posted in the "Vintage Thunderbird Club International" about when Ford actually started this process on door scuff plates.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-31-2016, 12:30 PM
Joe Johnston Joe Johnston is offline
Super-Experienced
 
Join Date: Dec 23 2008
Posts: 670
Joe Johnston is on a distinguished road
Default

A quick check is to take a bit of car wax or polish on a cloth and lightly rub on the part in question. If the cloth quickly turns black the part is not anodized or coated.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:19 AM.

Driving, racing or working on cars can be hazardous. The procedures and advice on this website including the message board are opinion only. Squarebirds.org and its webmasters and contributors do not guarantee the correctness of the advice and procedures. The Squarebirds.org and its webmasters assume no liability for any damage, fines, punishment, injury or death resulting from following these procedures or advice. If you do not have the skills or tools to repair your car, please consult a professional. By using this site you agree to hold harmless the Squarebirds.org, its authors and its webmasters from any resulting claim and costs that may occur from using the information found on this site.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Any submissions to this site and any post on this site becomes property of Squarebirds.org . The webmasters reserve the right to edit and modify any submissions to this site. All material on this is site is copyrighted by the Squarebirds.org. Reproduction by any means other than for personal use is strictly prohibited. Permission to use material on this site can be obtained by contacting the webmasters. Copyright 2002-2016 by Squarebirds.org.