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What shape is the padded dash in? Mine was split so I trimmed off the warped plastic, cut out rotted foam, and replaced it with great stuff fire retardant foam. I bought a plastic cover and hated it! I ended up having a local upholsterer cover it in leatherette, French stitching at the exposed edge to make the compound curves, and it's one of my favorite parts of my resto. I took the dash out to him, and therefore the cost wasn't much more than a cheap cover.
It has one crack in it but we can live with it compared to the door cards it's in great shape








We swapped the rear drain tubes last night, they weren't as bad as the fronts but were definitely due to be replaced as well





Tonight I replaced the defroster hoses








The new ones we got from pat Wilson's aren't identical to the oem hoses but they fit snugly without clamps so I'm happy and they were plenty long enough for the job, I probably could have trimmed them but I didn't ( I did vacuum the mess behind there tho lol )





Sometimes I like seeing old ways to do things like the backside of the main dash vents, a simple captive pin in two tracks to change the air direction

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Cody coming along nicely, one step at a time. How are things down by Sarnia this time of the year?
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Cody coming along nicely, one step at a time. How are things down by Sarnia this time of the year?

slow and steady thats right. ( and when funds become available )

we had our first snow that stayed on the ground when i woke up today, its still there its about 1c currently, two days ago it was 20.3c and we broke a record lol



i was just surfing kijiji last night and called a guy about some window motors turns out i could almost throw a stone at his house from mine, we are going down at 11 to see what he has and look at his 66 convertible. apparently he has owned about 6 tbirds and parted out about 6 more. I'm thinking he will be about the same price as buying parts out of the states if the call last night was any indication ( i asked prices on motors and steering wheel and his answer was well multiply the price online by about 1.5 to cover shipping exchange ect so we will see ). he was also trying to tell me window motors have and will continue to be hard to get because they had a high failure rate so no-one is building them currently, any truth to that?
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slow and steady thats right. ( and when funds become available )

we had our first snow that stayed on the ground when i woke up today, its still there its about 1c currently, two days ago it was 20.3c and we broke a record lol

I'm thinking he will be about the same price as buying parts out of the states if the call last night was any indication ( i asked prices on motors and steering wheel and his answer was well multiply the price online by about 1.5 to cover shipping exchange ect so we will see ). he was also trying to tell me window motors have and will continue to be hard to get because they had a high failure rate so no-one is building them currently, any truth to that?
I can't speak for the present time but about 9 or so years back I had no difficulty finding a firm in the US that advertised rebuilding window motors, I sent mine away and it came back rebuilt, I can't remember the company or cost.
The rubber coating on it had been cut to separate the halves of the housing so I sealed the seam with hot glue to keep the moisture out. (Just thought I'd throw that in!)
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I can't speak for the present time but about 9 or so years back I had no difficulty finding a firm in the US that advertised rebuilding window motors, I sent mine away and it came back rebuilt, I can't remember the company or cost.
The rubber coating on it had been cut to separate the halves of the housing so I sealed the seam with hot glue to keep the moisture out. (Just thought I'd throw that in!)
He said today that two people were going to repop them one guy same old the other better, I guess the same old guy got them done and distributed first so the other guy fell off the map. And when they ran out of stock and the first guy went back to build more the Chinese factory he used was gone and had to start over, the second batch was prone to failure so they pulled them and that created a shortage everywhere.





Can anyone ID this axle is is supposed to be out of a 78 bird and be a posi but I can't decode the tag




I know it's backwards but the lady who sent me the pic thinks it says

"800A
7C8
50-9
E8-8F"


I want to put a posi in my bird, looks like I have a 3.00 28spline
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Window motors go bad from NON-use. I've never seen one with worn down brushes, even after fifty years of service. Or better said, fifty years of mostly sitting there doing nothing.

Think of it, they go up a number of turns then they go down that same number. Heater motors get a better workout and I've never seen one of those wear out either. The last heater motor I worked on was simply frozen. Then I got it going without buying any parts and now it works just fine. The last window motor I worked on was simply gummed up with greasy junk that loaded the commutator and brush holders. After a good cleaning all the parts in diesel fuel it ran great.

Any obsolete part growing older will also be more rare and more costly to replace with OEM parts. On the other hand, there are 'production' motors with two wires that can be substituted at a low cost. To retrofit one of these motors requires two additional relays, one for 'up' and the other for 'down' because Ford controlled opposite-wound field windings in OEM motors for direction. Modern motors use permanent magnets to eliminate electric fields so now we simply reverse armature current. - Dave
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Anyone have any idea what this wire is, looks like a ground maybe?
Started under the Centre console cubby and terminated in the pass footwell. I couldn't identify anywhere it might have gone or came from and it doesn't look factory..






Hooked both window motors up directly to my battery booster and they both function up and down the passenger side is much stronger ( I'll post some quick clips when they upload ) I'm sure I tried that before but I'm glad I did it again.



Next issue is the switches we smelled electrical burning or at least getting hot so I'll have to try and fix or repair that


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Window motors go bad from NON-use. I've never seen one with worn down brushes, even after fifty years of service. Or better said, fifty years of mostly sitting there doing nothing.

Think of it, they go up a number of turns then they go down that same number. Heater motors get a better workout and I've never seen one of those wear out either. The last heater motor I worked on was simply frozen. Then I got it going without buying any parts and now it works just fine. The last window motor I worked on was simply gummed up with greasy junk that loaded the commutator and brush holders. After a good cleaning all the parts in diesel fuel it ran great.

Any obsolete part growing older will also be more rare and more costly to replace with OEM parts. On the other hand, there are 'production' motors with two wires that can be substituted at a low cost. To retrofit one of these motors requires two additional relays, one for 'up' and the other for 'down' because Ford controlled opposite-wound field windings in OEM motors for direction. Modern motors use permanent magnets to eliminate electric fields so now we simply reverse armature current. - Dave
Do you have an link and example of one of these motors for future reference Dave?
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Cody, have you taken a look at the Technical Resource Library (TRL)? There is information in it regarding repairing these motors, though it applies to Squarebirds, as I recall. But it should be a help to you regarding the motors in your Flairbird. Go to the TRL, hit the Ctrl and the F key, type in window motors and it should take you right to that section. The TRL link is always part of my and jopizz's signature element.
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Cody, have you taken a look at the Technical Resource Library (TRL)? There is information in it regarding repairing these motors, though it applies to Squarebirds, as I recall. But it should be a help to you regarding the motors in your Flairbird. Go to the TRL, hit the Ctrl and the F key, type in window motors and it should take you right to that section. The TRL link is always part of my and jopizz's signature element.
The motors work, although one is a little weak, I'm on to diagnosing the switches, the vent switches and motors work perfectly
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