This will take you to the main site where there is history, technical information and other information on these cars.
This takes you back to the main page of the forums.
This is the control panel to change your password, information and preferences on this message board.
Click here if your lost your password or need to register on this message board. You must be a registered user to post. Registration is free.
Search this board for information you need.
Click here to buy cool Squarebirds mechandise.
Click here to support Squarebirds.org. For $20 annually receive 20mBytes webspace, a Squarebirds e-mail address and member's icon on the message board.
  #1  
Old 06-28-2016, 04:24 PM
vernz vernz is offline
Experienced
 
Join Date: Jul 12 2008
Posts: 185
vernz is on a distinguished road
Default need help finding a brake spring

1960 Thunderbird with original drum brakes. I pulled the drum on the front left wheel today for my complete brake replacement project. Lo and behold I found a broken lower retracting spring. For now I plan on keeping the drum brakes. I went to my usual parts sources and can not find anyone selling that spring. Even the complete spring kits don't show that as one of the springs in the kit. Does anyone know where I can find that spring?
BTW, I sure learned my lesson about letting a car sit for years without exercising the brakes and replacing the fluid periodically. I can't believe how rust and ugly the wheel cylinders are when I pulled off the rubber caps. My original plan to rebuild the wheel cylinders went out the window in a hurry.

Vern
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 06-28-2016, 04:54 PM
jopizz's Avatar
jopizz jopizz is offline
Excellent Auto Mechanic for over 40 years.
 
Join Date: Nov 23 2009
Posts: 4,756
jopizz is on a distinguished road
Default

I don't know where you would find that particular spring new. I assume that's the one that goes above the adjuster. I probably have a couple of used ones. My suggestion is to install self adjusters. The bottom springs are readily available for those. They make a big improvement. Here are the part numbers. Most local auto stores either have them or can order them. You can also get them from Rock Auto. They are listed for a 1961 Thunderbird but will fit your '60.

Kit-Raybestos-H2545 (right)
H2544 (left)

Springs-Wagner-H412 (2 per kit)

John
__________________
John Pizzi - Squarebirds Administrator
1959 Convertible

Thunderbird Registry #36223
jopizz@verizon.net 856-779-9695

http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 06-28-2016, 04:57 PM
newyear's Avatar
newyear newyear is offline
Experienced
 
Join Date: Jan 4 2005
Posts: 134
newyear is on a distinguished road
Default

Hi Vern
If you can provide a picture and dimensions I will see if I have one
I got my selection from Rock Auto,Larrys and MACS
Peter
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06-28-2016, 05:05 PM
YellowRose's Avatar
YellowRose YellowRose is offline
Super-Experienced and a HELLOFA nice guy
 
Join Date: Jan 21 2008
Posts: 11,831
YellowRose is on a distinguished road
Default need help finding a brake spring

You might send a PM to Carl Heller ~ partsetal on here. Carl has lots of parts for Squarebirds and he might have what you need. If you order from Rock Auto, you will find the discount code in the Advertisements Forum.
__________________

Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
'59 Tbird "The Yellow Rose Of Texas" aka "Tweety Bird"
"It's Hip To Be Square"
Thunderbird Registry #33025 VTCI #11178

rayclark07"at"att.net (Home) 210-674-5781 (Cell) 210-875-1411
http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm

Last edited by YellowRose : 06-28-2016 at 06:15 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-28-2016, 06:03 PM
simplyconnected's Avatar
simplyconnected simplyconnected is offline
Slow Typist
 
Join Date: May 26 2009
Posts: 7,080
simplyconnected is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by vernz View Post
1960 Thunderbird with original drum brakes... ...Lo and behold I found a broken lower retracting spring. For now I plan on keeping the drum brakes... ...Does anyone know where I can find that spring?...
Raybestos H-403, sold in sets of four. Here's the picture from Rockauto.com:


Don't forget your 5% discount. - Dave
__________________
My latest project:
CLICK HERE to see my custom hydraulic roller 390 FE build.

"We've got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?"
--Lee Iacocca
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-28-2016, 06:58 PM
partsetal's Avatar
partsetal partsetal is offline
Super-Experienced
 
Join Date: Jun 4 2005
Posts: 527
partsetal is on a distinguished road
Default

The front brakes have an additional retracting spring, just down from the two that attach to the pin. This spring goes from shoe to shoe. Hard to find, not made by any main manufacturer.
Carl
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-28-2016, 07:33 PM
vernz vernz is offline
Experienced
 
Join Date: Jul 12 2008
Posts: 185
vernz is on a distinguished road
Default

Carl is correct. I need that secondary spring that goes from shoe to shoe below the wheel cylinder. I looked at all the parts places and rock auto with no luck. If you look in the 1960 shop manual that shows the front brake assembly you can see the "lower retracting spring". The 1959 shop manual also shows it. I'll get some dimensions and a picture tomorrow.

I am installing self adjusters on all the wheels as I go through the brakes. The springs in the self adjusters do not replace the lower retracting spring.

Vern
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-28-2016, 07:53 PM
jopizz's Avatar
jopizz jopizz is offline
Excellent Auto Mechanic for over 40 years.
 
Join Date: Nov 23 2009
Posts: 4,756
jopizz is on a distinguished road
Default

None of the later Thunderbird brakes use that spring so I don't know how effective it was. I haven't used that on any squarebirds in the last 10 years that I've done brakes on and haven't had any problem eliminating it. You should be safe going without it.

John
__________________
John Pizzi - Squarebirds Administrator
1959 Convertible

Thunderbird Registry #36223
jopizz@verizon.net 856-779-9695

http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06-28-2016, 07:56 PM
vernz vernz is offline
Experienced
 
Join Date: Jul 12 2008
Posts: 185
vernz is on a distinguished road
Default

Thanks John. I was wondering if that spring was really necessary.

Vern
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 06-28-2016, 08:09 PM
jopizz's Avatar
jopizz jopizz is offline
Excellent Auto Mechanic for over 40 years.
 
Join Date: Nov 23 2009
Posts: 4,756
jopizz is on a distinguished road
Default

Here's a picture showing the self adjuster on a '61 Thunderbird. As you can see there's no lower retracting spring. It would probably interfere with the mechanism.

John
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 61 front brake.jpg (129.6 KB, 54 views)
__________________
John Pizzi - Squarebirds Administrator
1959 Convertible

Thunderbird Registry #36223
jopizz@verizon.net 856-779-9695

http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:03 AM.

Driving, racing or working on cars can be hazardous. The procedures and advice on this website including the message board are opinion only. Squarebirds.org and its webmasters and contributors do not guarantee the correctness of the advice and procedures. The Squarebirds.org and its webmasters assume no liability for any damage, fines, punishment, injury or death resulting from following these procedures or advice. If you do not have the skills or tools to repair your car, please consult a professional. By using this site you agree to hold harmless the Squarebirds.org, its authors and its webmasters from any resulting claim and costs that may occur from using the information found on this site.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Any submissions to this site and any post on this site becomes property of Squarebirds.org . The webmasters reserve the right to edit and modify any submissions to this site. All material on this is site is copyrighted by the Squarebirds.org. Reproduction by any means other than for personal use is strictly prohibited. Permission to use material on this site can be obtained by contacting the webmasters. Copyright 2002-2016 by Squarebirds.org.