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Old 11-30-2015, 01:57 AM
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Let me clarify my last posts.
You can purchase the booster/master W/firewall bracket and all the hardware that connects to your brake pedal.

New Master Cylinders come with dual pistons so you will divide your present system into front and rear systems THROUGH a combination proportioning valve.

You will re-pipe your brake lines to accomplish this.

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...I suggest you buy the master/booster combination. It is a two-stage 8" booster with a dual piston master cylinder (yes it clears A/C):

http://www.abspowerbrake.com/maincatalog_frameset.html (page 94) Call them for pricing.

You can certainly use this with drum/drum or disk/drum brakes. Because the system is split front/rear, you need a combination proportioning valve for disk/drum or drum/drum (your choice). Don't let anyone talk you out of this important component. When there is a difference in adjustment between the front and rear systems, this valve compensates for it.

Since you will be re-piping your system, you will also need three hoses. Hoses for drum wheel cylinders are different than for disk calipers...
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I called ABS explaining the entire issue and they acted like it never happened before. They were supposed to email me a part number. Booster Dewy only has the KH unit. $$$$

Does anybody have a part number from ABS that I can specify for the correct firewall booster/Master with the correct bracket for sufficient clearance? Or a part number for a brake booster from the store they purchased their booster from that will fit an A/C regular brakes equipped 1960 Squarebird?
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I converted my car to front disc's over 10 years ago (which I know is a little different from what you want to do). There was basically no information on converting these cars.

Here it is 10+ years later and it's not a whole lot better although this site probably has the most info. In the years I've been on the forum there have only been a handful of folks converting to discs - about the same amount wanting to "upgrade" from the single line master cyl to a dual line master cyl and keep the drum brakes. On the conversions - some used a Jeep bracket - some this or some that bracket. I made my own extension for the booster to replicate the factory modification. Wanting to add power brakes to a non power system as you want to do is a first for me - at least on the Squarebird.

There are lots of "kits" out there for Mustangs, Model A's, etc because they are very popular and widely modified. Unfortunately the Squarebird isn't as popular and modification kits are basically unheard of because of such little demand. No business wants to spend the time (and money) to do the research for something that won't pay off in sales so that leaves us with sites like this with gearheads like us that will try to help. I'd say that's also the main reason you won't get any help when calling the main suppliers - they might loose a sale trying to help you with something that may or may not pay off - plus they don't want to be liable for anything they tell you and it doesn't work or wrecks you car (or worse).

As mentioned - yours is the first upgrade I've heard of to upgrade a non power brake car to power. So even if we figure out the right bracket I'm not sure which pedal rod you would need. Maybe the adjustable one will work - just not sure.

You might check with Dave and see if there is more info available for paid members (got to keep this site going somehow) but believe the info is mostly for converting to discs. Hang with us - we'll try to get you there but unfortunately you won't find a complete "kit" (no matter what is advertised). I figured out back when I was doing my conversion - to ask if they have any references that I can ask about their "kit" or someone that I could talk to that has completed the conversion. Most of the time I never heard from them again.

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The ABS part number is 9787...I got mine from ABS for $295, including a proportioning valve.

Here is a post with a better picture than the one I have attached.
http://www.squarebirds.org/vbulletin...ucio#post93550
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Thank You, Todd.
Well, there you go... One minute ABS has them for a decent price and the next minute they know nothing about it. I also HATE that they don't post their prices. One salesman may quote one price while another comes in cheaper, while yet another one 'hasn't got those'...

This is the setup you need and everything is included except the combination proportioning valve for Drum/Drum brakes:

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The MC, booster and bracket were all from ABS as one unit. $350 from Lucio is a good deal for all Squarebird members. It sure saves hunting around for the different pieces.

I removed the MC and taped around the bracket when I painted the booster.

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Todd - just to be sure since I see your car and Tim's are not equipped with factory A/C.

This is the bracket that will clear the factory A/C evaporator on the firewall?

Thanks,
Eric

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ABS has this listed as a 9787 bracket too
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Frame-Mount-...NTPyqp&vxp=mtr
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Assuming confirmation this clears the evaporator, I'd install the front discs if stock wheels work with them.

You have been great help (on a car I'm finding something to either restore, repair, or upgrade everyday). I leave that for different posts.
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Old 12-01-2015, 11:45 AM
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I THINK it will clear the evaporator...but that is based on other threads and not personal experience.

http://www.squarebirds.org/vbulletin...ad.php?t=10943

Regarding using stock wheels, you should be able to find 14 inch wheels that will clear the calipers, but I don't think the OEM wheels will work. There are numerous threads that have a lot of information about the disc brake conversion process, including information on what wheels will work. Summit Racing sells new 14" steel wheels that worked for ~Daleo56.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/WVI-12-461204
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As mentioned the stock rims will not work with discs. Look for 14" steel rims from a 90's Ford Ranger. They will work fine and are relatively inexpensive.

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IF you are considering going the disc brake route and doing that conversion, the OEM 14" rims will NOT work. Back then, they were not manufactured to be disc brake capable. You will have to find some disc brake equipped Fords from the 70's and get 14' rims off them, or do what Daleo56 did and buy them from Summit Racing. Or find some 15" rims that should be disc brake capable.
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