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Old 08-10-2015, 07:54 PM
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I originally pulled the engine (430) out with the trans attached, per the service manual. It was scary (probably 1000 lb) coming out.

Now after $$$$ on bodywork and paint, I'm wondering if I should install the trans first (from below) and then install the engine.

Anyone want to share experience on this?

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Old 08-10-2015, 08:04 PM
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I know exactly what you mean. The 352 alone was scary enough over 40 year old paint.

I'm sure when they were built they were installed as a unit but the factory probably had a tiny bit better hoist

If I have to do it over again I will pull them separately (aka I'm CHICKEN).

Never done it this way bit is it easier to attach the transmission to the hoist and lower it in rather than coming in from the bottom?

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Old 08-10-2015, 08:15 PM
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In my opinion it's certainly easier and you risk less damage having the trans already in place and just dropping in the engine. I believe the factory had a large pit under the car so there was plenty of room for the transmission and a worker could jockey it in place.

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I actually installed the engine with the transmission already in place by myself, twice. It's a lot harder with the two already connected.
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Thanks for info - They will go back in separately. Here's a pic of it coming out in 2007, now ready to go back in soon! The accessories are on the engine just for the picture.

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I put the 352 in mine with the transmission attached. If I had to do It again I'd separate the two. It was such a relief when it finally found its place in the engine compartment.
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I've installed a 430 with trans using an "A" frame with a chain fall. The angles needed to get them in position were demanding and required raising the car. I had help with this one but would not do it again. I do them separately now, and the 430 engine is a chore for the 1 1/2 ton floor crane. I've removed 352's together using a bucket loader but that becomes messy when you tip the trans at a steep angle. I prefer to do them separately and can do them by myself.
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John - that engine is a work of art - very nice. Bet it's going to run as good as it looks.

(whew - think I'm off the hook - looks like nobody noticed the logo on my fender protector)

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Right off the bat, know that engine decking requires a learning curve. The factory has proper equipment and facilities, to drop engines with transmissions in moving cars, at the rate of one per minute. Yes, two guys work very closely, each knowing exactly what the other will do next. This job is far too dangerous for rookies and 'mavericks'.

The cars were freshly painted before the engine and trans were installed because to do it any other way makes no sense.

Squarebird bodies are different than most Ford cars, where all the bellhousing bolts are easily accessible. For this reason, it makes sense that traditionally, the engine and transmission are installed in an offline subassembly. There simply isn't enough real estate to keep all engine, trans and Final Dress combinations at the main assembly line.

'Final Dress' includes the generator, starter motor, power steering pump, air conditioning compressor and all the belts and pulleys. The engine and trans comes to the line totally ready with Final Dress complete and of course, the engine has exhaust manifolds installed.

Aligning the automatic flex plate with torque converter requires rotating the engine by hand before tightening the four nuts. This is much easier when the engine and trans are out in the open with plenty of space to work.

The bottom line is 'safety'. If you do not have a mechanic 'partner' or your equipment isn't heavy enough for the job or maybe you simply don't have the confidence to drop the engine & trans together, don't do it. That is how I prefer doing this job because I do have help and my hoist is a two-ton (with plenty of safety buffer). My engine and trans go from the test stand, right into the engine bay. - Dave
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The consensus seems to be that whether we're talking about the 352 OR the 430, it's preferable to separate them from the tranny before removal and put them back together in the car. I think my engine (a 352) is going to be coming out soon so, unless you all disagree, I intend to separate them before removal and reunite them in the car after the engine has been reworked. Right? My friend and I already pulled them both (as one unit) and put them back in (as one unit) when the trans was rebuilt .... and it was spooky!
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