This will take you to the main site where there is history, technical information and other information on these cars.
This takes you back to the main page of the forums.
This is the control panel to change your password, information and preferences on this message board.
Click here if your lost your password or need to register on this message board. You must be a registered user to post. Registration is free.
Search this board for information you need.
Click here to buy cool Squarebirds mechandise.
Click here to support Squarebirds.org. For $20 annually receive 20mBytes webspace, a Squarebirds e-mail address and member's icon on the message board.
  #1  
Old 06-20-2015, 06:17 PM
Daleo56 Daleo56 is offline
Experienced
 
Join Date: Dec 27 2014
Posts: 314
Daleo56 is on a distinguished road
Default Project Snowbird - 1960 Hardtop Disc Brake Upgrade

Now that the outside of the 1960 is done I am going to concentrate on the mechanical. First order of business is to upgrade to disc brakes. Based on all of my searches here I am installing the following parts:

Scarebird Brake Brackets

1983-97 S10 2WD brake calipers
1968-69 Mustang front brake rotors
ABS PowerBrake8" Dual Master Cylinder
1969-1971 Camaro front brake hoses
New inner/outer wheel bearings and seals
Two 20" 3/16" brake lines with ends
5/16" to 3/16" adapter
3/16" to 3/16" to 1/8" pipe T-fitting
1/8" to 1/8" pipe union
3/16" end plug for original block

I am starting late today so I will post steps over the next 24 hours as I complete the job.

I also upgraded to 14" wheels from Summit Racing based on the feedback here.

Step One: Get rid of the old stuff!



Step Two: Scrape off all of the old dirt and clean the mating surfaces.



Step Three: Test fit Scarebird brackets before painting.


Last edited by YellowRose : 06-23-2015 at 11:01 PM. Reason: Additional Parts Listing
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 06-20-2015, 07:21 PM
Joe Johnston Joe Johnston is offline
Super-Experienced
 
Join Date: Dec 23 2008
Posts: 670
Joe Johnston is on a distinguished road
Default

Keep up the good work. You have the beginnings of a good documentary that will help others later on.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 06-20-2015, 09:14 PM
Wudro's Avatar
Wudro Wudro is offline
Experienced
 
Join Date: Jan 25 2015
Posts: 134
Wudro is on a distinguished road
Default

Season 2, Episode 1... Stoked!
__________________
SquareBird in BirdCity
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06-21-2015, 10:21 PM
Daleo56 Daleo56 is offline
Experienced
 
Join Date: Dec 27 2014
Posts: 314
Daleo56 is on a distinguished road
Default

Step Four:
I had to get 2" 3/8-24 bolts for the rear mount. The front was fine.


Step Five
I purchased new outer, inner bearings and seals and packed them all.


Step Six
The calipers were Left and Right and mounted up nice.


Step 6.1 (14" rims only)
My 14" rims from Summit barely rubbed so I ground off a little less than 1/8" from the caliper and now they clear. I was not fond of this solution however it was the thickest part of the caliper. It had enough contact to remove paint but not enough to gouge the rim. I will try my stock rims when everything is back together just to confirm they would not have fit.


Step Seven
Everything fit however I had to find longer brake hoses. I do not have a part number because I pulled them from one of my 56's. The S10 ones I bought were way too short. Banjo on one side and hex mount 3/16" on the other.


Step Eight
To remove the old master cylinder I spent 15 minutes trying to get the pedal bolt out. #$%^&*!!! It was actually worse than the window rollers!


AND

Steps Nine, Ten and Eleven
I spent an HOUR putting the pedal bolt back in. WhoTH designed this? The only way I could get it done was to remove the rod from the MC and then reinstall it after. I hate this pedal design. You only have access from one side.

The castle nuts and bolts from the original MC firewall worked fine however I added a washer to each one.


Step Twelve
Go and buy a bunch more little parts. I need to get an adapter for the larger rear brake threads on the master cylinder. I also need to get a coupler and some other miscellaneous parts to complete the job. Oh and I need a T for the brake light switch. Ugh.

I finally just got mad and left it at the shop! I will try again tomorrow night...
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-21-2015, 11:35 PM
toddgilroy toddgilroy is offline
Experienced
 
Join Date: Aug 30 2014
Posts: 171
toddgilroy is on a distinguished road
Default

Did you use the ABS combo part #9787? Did it bolt right on without any mods?

Thanks!
__________________
Todd Gilroy
1960 Tbird Convertible
Thunderbird Registry #54651

Last edited by toddgilroy : 06-21-2015 at 11:36 PM. Reason: Typo
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-21-2015, 11:50 PM
Daleo56 Daleo56 is offline
Experienced
 
Join Date: Dec 27 2014
Posts: 314
Daleo56 is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by toddgilroy View Post
Did you use the ABS combo part #9787? Did it bolt right on without any mods?

Thanks!
Yes, it bolted right in.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-22-2015, 01:09 AM
Tbird1044 Tbird1044 is offline
Super-Experienced
 
Join Date: Jul 31 2012
Posts: 1,054
Tbird1044 is on a distinguished road
Default

Sounds to me like you need a beer, or 2 or 6. LOL Looks like you made some good progress. I've shook my head more than once asking myself "What were they thinking?"

Nyles
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-22-2015, 09:41 AM
DKheld's Avatar
DKheld DKheld is offline
Super-Experienced
 
Join Date: Aug 27 2008
Posts: 1,443
DKheld is on a distinguished road
Default

The problem with the Granada rotors was that the center hole of the original wheel was too small to fit over the snout of the rotor. Be interested to see if they will fit over the Mustang rotor. I think the original wheels would have cleared the Granada calipers.

I had the same trouble with the Granada hoses - way too short and had to find some longer ones.
I used Master Power Brakes part number - HS88520K hose kit '16 inch for GM 69-77 single piston caliper

Don't forget you will need a "T" of some sort for the power brake booster vacuum line. It is built in on the old booster and can't be moved.

What? You don't like working upside down and backwards with only room enough for one hand while needing at least 3? Oh yeah - that pedal bolt is loads of fun.

Just curious - was the bolt you bought not included or was the one supplied too short?

NICE shop......

Thanks for the pics and documentation process.

Eric

(ps - getting ready to start work on a '69 Blazer - what year is yours?)

Last edited by DKheld : 06-22-2015 at 11:59 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06-22-2015, 12:49 PM
Daleo56 Daleo56 is offline
Experienced
 
Join Date: Dec 27 2014
Posts: 314
Daleo56 is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DKheld View Post
The problem with the Granada rotors was that the center hole of the original wheel was too small to fit over the snout of the rotor. Be interested to see if they will fit over the Mustang rotor. I think the original wheels would have cleared the Granada calipers.

I had the same trouble with the Granada hoses - way too short and had to find some longer ones.
I used Master Power Brakes part number - HS88520K hose kit '16 inch for GM 69-77 single piston caliper

Don't forget you will need a "T" of some sort for the power brake booster vacuum line. It is built in on the old booster and can't be moved.

What? You don't like working upside down and backwards with only room enough for one hand while needing at least 3? Oh yeah - that pedal bolt is loads of fun.

Just curious - was the bolt you bought not included or was the one supplied too short?

NICE shop......

Thanks for the pics and documentation process.

Eric

(ps - getting ready to start work on a '69 Blazer - what year is yours?)
Those hoses you mention are for a 69-71 Camaro so that explains why the ones I pulled of my 56 dropped spindles fit so well!

The Scarebird kit does not include those new bolts. The two longer spindle bolts I pulled out did not have stock head markings so I believe they were not original. I bought two 3/8-24 bolts at Lowes that were 2" long and that fixed it.

I still need to buy:
  • T vac line
  • 3/16" brake line adapter (rear MC port)
  • 3/16" plug (seal original junction block)
  • 3/16" T for sender (MC to rear with sender on top)

The wheels fit great except for that slight rub I fixed. I kept the original tires and rims so once I get this all done I will try them. I did not get the rotors and calipers from ABS so I am on my own on that part.

My shop mate has the 71' Blazer and a couple Camaros. The 39' is his brothers and all of the 56's are mine. We split the shop down the middle except my wagon is on his side temporarily. There is a 56' 3600 hidden in the far back too I hope to finish someday. I also have two other 56' stored at my house. Most of the cars are just fun drivers and only a couple are nice enough to sit on the grass

The shop changes with my mood. Earlier in the year is was almost a full Ford shop. My shop mates hates it!

Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 06-23-2015, 01:41 PM
Daleo56 Daleo56 is offline
Experienced
 
Join Date: Dec 27 2014
Posts: 314
Daleo56 is on a distinguished road
Default

I dropped off the old stock wheels at shop today. Other than the FoMoCo logo is there any other marking to confirm they are 1960 original? I am going to try them on the car tonight to see how they rub.



Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:34 PM.

Driving, racing or working on cars can be hazardous. The procedures and advice on this website including the message board are opinion only. Squarebirds.org and its webmasters and contributors do not guarantee the correctness of the advice and procedures. The Squarebirds.org and its webmasters assume no liability for any damage, fines, punishment, injury or death resulting from following these procedures or advice. If you do not have the skills or tools to repair your car, please consult a professional. By using this site you agree to hold harmless the Squarebirds.org, its authors and its webmasters from any resulting claim and costs that may occur from using the information found on this site.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Any submissions to this site and any post on this site becomes property of Squarebirds.org . The webmasters reserve the right to edit and modify any submissions to this site. All material on this is site is copyrighted by the Squarebirds.org. Reproduction by any means other than for personal use is strictly prohibited. Permission to use material on this site can be obtained by contacting the webmasters. Copyright 2002-2016 by Squarebirds.org.