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Old 05-06-2015, 03:04 PM
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I have a very early 1958 coupe. I needed a new radiator so I ordered one. Today I took it to my mechanic to have it installed as well as an alignment. He called me and said it did not fit. I went and looked at it and the mounting holes did not align and the transmission cooler lines are on the wrong (or different) side of the radiator that was in the car. The supplier, Bird's Nest, assured me this is the only radiator made for 58, 59 and 60 Tbirds. Is it possible the early birds had different radiators or is it more likely mine was incorrectly changed at some point in time? I want to believe the early cars were different otherwise the mounting tabs should align.

We are making it work by re-drilling the mounting holes on the radiator and adding an separate tranny cooler.

But I would like to know from the experts what is correct. We have had issues with other 58 parts not fitting this car.

The new radiator is in the front and the one that came out of the car is behind it. You can see the cooler lines on the drivers side of the old radiator.
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I wonder if someone swapped the radiator for a later model 62-63 TBird and soldered the top mounting brackets to the tanks. Just a thought.
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Although mine is a '60 it had the smooth sided radiator originally (which could have been changed but never remember Dad having to replace it and he bought the car new).

The rib sided one that was in your car looks like the replacement I installed last year.

You never know on some early production cars though. Hope you get a more definitive answer.

My transmission cooler lines are on the passenger side.

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I've never seen a '58 with the cooler lines on the driver side. Of course anything is possible. Instead of adding a separate trans cooler you can order new cooler lines that mount on the passenger side.

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I've never seen a '58 with the cooler lines on the driver side. Of course anything is possible. Instead of adding a separate trans cooler you can order new cooler lines that mount on the passenger side.

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I will look at my 58 when I get home, I was told it was all OG when I picked it up.
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The original COM transmission cooling lines enter the passenger side of the tranny, made sense to do the same with the radiator connections to avoid crossing sides with the lines. Check the line routing and as John said previously, replace the lines as needed. If the lines do cross, most likely this was done at the front of the car near the radiator and may only require a partial rerouting of the lines.
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Here is the latest update. They are installing the radiator and only 2 of the 4 bolt holes on the top plate match up with the new radiator. One bolt is the one on the outside on the drivers side. The other bolt is the one near the center. My top plate has only one center hole and the radiator requires 2. The hole on the outside of the passenger side does not line up. If someone replaced the radiator with a 61 to 63 radiator, could they have replaced the top plate as well? The two bolt holes nearest the grill match up. Would 61 to 63 birds have a similar top plate?

We have a large car show near here next weekend. Hopefully some Tbirds will be there so I can check out what mine should look like.
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Are you talking about the filler plate that goes between the radiator and the nose of the car. The radiator should only have three oblong holes. The center one is not really in the center but closer to the passenger side.

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As far as I know this is the original filler plate on mine.
Off centered hole as John describes.



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The transmission lines are coming out of the passenger side of the transmission so new lines will be purchased. However, the plate between the radiator and grill is different than the one shown. Maybe not different, but I seem to have an additional plate. The end holes are not slotted and the center hole is on the drivers side. So if someone replaced the radiator with one from a 61-63, would this plate also be from a 61-63? See the photo below.
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