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Going by the valve covers and pcv system I can narrow it down to '62-64.

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Here is what Ryan has been able to find on his engine block and tranny so far. The tranny tag did not come out to well, and he will try to clean that up and get a better pic. Here is what he said and here are the pix he sent.

A couple new pics Ray. It appears I have a 1964 T-Bird block C4SE-8425A with 1964 Galaxie C4AE-8090G heads. Maybe you can correct me. The Tranny plate is rough. I'll try again tomorrow to get a better pic.
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The casting number on the heads is C4AE-6090. All 352,390 heads had the "AE" designation as far as I know. There was no difference between Thunderbirds or Full Size Fords that I've seen.

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Oh cool. I was concerned with the possibility of Galaxie heads. Starts to make you wonder what happened and what else was swapped out and/or damaged in the past. Thanks Fellas.
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Does anybody have a good pic of what a '64 390 looks like complete in the engine bay? I could use some references. See where everything fits and hoses are run etc... Valve cover and air cleaner colors and decals are something else I'm interested in.
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John is fixing my eyesight! Lol.. He says that C4SE 8425A is actually a C4SE 9425A intake manifold. To me, it looked like an 8.
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Does anybody have a good pic of what a '64 390 looks like complete in the engine bay? I could use some references. See where everything fits and hoses are run etc... Valve cover and air cleaner colors and decals are something else I'm interested in.
You need to decide if you are going to paint the engine to match the '60 specs or the '64 specs. The colors and parts are completely different. '60 had yellow valve covers with "FORD" on them and a white air cleaner. '64 had gold valve covers with "THUNDERBIRD" on them and a gold air cleaner. There aren't many hoses in 1960. Just the heater hoses, the vacuum hose for the power brake and the hose from the carb to the vacuum advance. You will have to decide what to do about the windshield wipers. If you want to keep them vacuum actuated you will need a dual action fuel pump. There is an electric kit available. Here's a diagram of how the heater hoses should go on a '64.

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Thanks John. My preliminary thoughts are to keep as much original as possible. I know this is contrarian, considering the mismatch of Motor/Tranny & Body. But, if this makes sense, everything associated with my car will be close to original 1960, & anything with the Motor/Tranny will be 1964. I'm mainly referring to aesthetics, paint and decals as I've mentioned. I love to "sweat the small stuff", meaning, the minor details really add up in the end. The 1960 seems to have the least decals, so that's what got me searching. These valve covers I have look gold so maybe I should go with that and track down an air cleaner which I'm missing. I'll just buy both decal sets, and use what I can. The block and transmission I assume are black and I'll go from there.
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There are more decals on the '64 air cleaner than on the '60. Here's a picture of a '64 engine compartment.

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Ryan sent me two more pix of the tranny this morning. IF I got the decoding correct here is what they say.

C1AP 7006B = C1 = 1961 A = Full Sized Ford P = Automatic Tranny, 7006 = Basic Part # B = First Engineering Change to that model

2L19: = 2=1962 L19=November 19th. The letter I was not used. So it is a 1962 tranny

DIF 22 = Factory that made it = D = Dearborn Iron Foundry

In 2011, Carl Heller ~ partsetal said to Anders...
The C1AP 7006B number is a casting number and was first used in 1961. 1961 was the first year that Ford used the vacuum modulator and it is on the left rear of the trans. It is a small vacuum cannister. If you've got this it is most likely a 1961 and up trans.

A Ford Tranny 1961 390-4V V-8 Medium Case Should have a tag that says PCE-B, or C, E, F, G, H,
However, I have seen a reference to a PCE Y and it looks like a Y barely visible on that tag.

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