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I remember there was a thread on this here somewhere. I think there was even an electric scheme how to wire the 3-wire alternator to a Squarebird. Was not able to find it now though. Is there anyone running this setup? Can you share your experience?

Also, is there any cheaper mount bracket solution than this C.R.A.P. one?

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Jiri, look in the Technical Resource Library. There is a lot of information there regarding generators, alternators and 1 wire vs 3 wire alternators. Most people will say that the 3 wire is the best way to go. Though I have a 1 wire, with a connection through the voltage regulator to the generator light so that it will still function. Read the information on pros and cons of 1 wire vs 3 wire. As for mounting brackets, the C.R.A.P. one is not cheap, but probably the best one to get. It is the only one that I know of made expressly for a gen to alternator conversion for the 352 engine. If there is a better one, I do not know about it. The other alternative is to modify the existing generator bracket to make it capable of mounting an alternator to it, as my mechanic did. However, back then, if I had known about the C.R.A.P. mounting bracket, I would have bought it instead. You have to make sure that you have the right holes in the block for this mounting bracket to connect to. Some 352 blocks may be different.

I did some more searching and if you use the Search funtion and type in "Squarebird Alternator" you will come up with a number of links regarding this. Including this one, which might be a help to you. You will see the C.R.A.P. mounting bracket being used and it is a far easier install than in trying to modify an existing generator mounting bracket to accept an alternator.

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Jiri, here is the wiring schematic, I think you were looking for. This is for wiring in a Ford G2 or G3 alternator. Hopefully, this will help. With this set up the alternator kicks in with the ignition switch and does not wait until you get it to 1500rpm. It also allows you to hook up the generator light and use it. Look at my Post #1.

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Click HERE for pictures and specs of different Ford alternators, including part numbers, years and models they were used for, etc. Fabrication will depend on which alt you decide to install. You can see that each have different mounting holes. You need to change the pulley to accept your belt, as well.

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I just talked with Nate at CVF about their alternator mounting bracket. This bracket is for a 390, 427, or 428 engine, but he said it will also fit a 352 engine. Unless you have one of the older 352 blocks that is missing one of the block mounting holes. He said in that case, you would have to drill and tap the block to create that additional hole. If you have one of the newer 352 engines, it should have all the necessary holes pre-drilled in the block.

This mounting bracket mounts the alternator high instead of low like the generator is. They do not have a bracket that mounts it in the low position. As I recall, the C.R.A.P. bracket mounts the alternator low, like the generator. He said that some who have used their mounting bracket found they had a problem with the expansion tank interfering with the alternator install. Some have fixed that by taking the expansion tank off. Others by making some kind of adjustment, but he does not know what. He also said that if you get one of the newer, larger alternators, that the back of it can hit the block. He suggests getting a Ford 3G alternator, one with a depth of less than 4.65". If you have an alternator that is wider than 4.65" inches, they have an adjusting rod you can get to adjust that away from the block.

They also market Power Steering and AC mounting brackets.

Here is a picture of what he is talking about regarding that 4.65" clearance.
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Amazing - you guys keep throwing one great piece of information after another... Good to know about the high and low ways of installation. I will go with the C.R.A.P. one. With such info from you guys, the installation will be easy peasy . Thanks a lot!
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Thanks, Jiri, before you do any ordering, take a look at this picture of the C.R.A.P. 92264 alternator mounting bracket. Check your block to see if it has all the necessary holes in it to mount this bracket to the block. As others have said, and as I have been told, some of the older 352 blocks do not have one of the holes drilled in them when they were made. The newer ones, and the 390 (I think) do have them. Though the 92264 bracket is a bit more expensive, it mounts the alternator low, unlike the CVF version. As stated by them, with it mounting it high, you could have a problem of interference with the expansion tank.

I am going to post a pic of that bracket somewhat in the position of how it will mount on the block, I think. See if you can find the holes in the block needed to mount that bracket to it. Here also is that pic of Rusty installing his engine back into his '58 with the C.R.A.P. mounting bracket already installed on the block, from what it looks like, minus the alternator.
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That kit is for an FE motor that does not have the hole drilled which is the 58-60 352. The small bracket mounts to the front generator bracket hole and the larger bracket mounts to the water pump.

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IF I understand John correctly, IF your block has all the necessary holes pre-drilled in it, then you can use the cheaper 92263 mounting bracket. If not then you need the 92264 with that extra mounting piece. I have been told that the older 352 blocks did not have that additional hole drilled, but the newer 352's did. I do not know if that is accurate or not, but was what I have been told by a number of people.
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Ford started drilling the alternator holes sometime in 1962. I've had '62 Thunderbirds with a generator but with the alternator hole already drilled. If you have a later block with the hole drilled you don't need to order a bracket from CRAP. You can usually find one on Ebay or in a junkyard. For our Squarebirds that have the original 352 you will need the CRAP bracket set that's pictured. I have one of the $30 generic brackets installed on my '59 and it works but it's difficult to keep tensioned. I would recommend the CRAP bracket even though it's more expensive.

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