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Old 06-06-2014, 10:39 AM
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hi guys my 59 is getting a respray and while the engines out I want to give it a bit of a freshen up. my problem is my engine should be a 430 mel but somewhere along the lines it ended up with a 352 fe.
now im not fussed in that regard as there are tons more aftermarket parts for the fe, but I need to know if its early or late, hydraulic or not, so I can order bits for it.
I also would like to know what would a good cam be, it will be running headers its still got the autolite 4100 on a standard manifold. id like a little lumpy idle but I still want it to behave.
any help would be great
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Old 06-06-2014, 11:09 AM
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Andrew, if you will post some pix of the numbers and stampings on the engine so that we can help you identify it. With that information, someone one here should be able to tell you when it was made.
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A good indication is the casting numbers. They will tell you what year the castings were made because FE castings went through so many changes. Look at the intake manifold and heads. Let us know what they show. - Dave
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Old 06-06-2014, 10:50 PM
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Cheers guys I'll have to wait till Tuesday because it's in the painters at the moment, where would the engine number be on these
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Andrew, this link might help you find the locations on the block or manifolds where the engine number stampings are found. After you find them on the block, write them down and tell us what you found. The guys here can decode them for you. Here is that link.

http://www.squarebirds.org/vbulletin...asting+numbers

Click on the various links in the above link and that should give you even more information. Hopefully, this will help you.
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hi all, ok so I finally got down to shop to take pics of engine
aren't all FE's supposed have 352 stamped on the front, because I can't find that anywhere, anyway here they are
first pic is of the manifold
next two are of the engine
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C0AE denotes a 1960 part. (C is the decade and zero is the year.)
When you look straight at the front of the engine block, you should find '352' cast just below the driver's side head.

I said it that way because this can become confusing to many, orientation is ALWAYS done with respect to the driver. This is the way your manuals are written. So as he looks forward, the driver's side is the LEFT HAND side. Ford numbers their cylinders from the RH side (1,2,3,4) then continues down the LH side (5,6,7,8). Your engine rotates counter-clockwise because the top of the fan moves from the RH fender toward the LH fender.
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C0AE denotes a 1960 part. (C is the decade and zero is the year.)
When you look straight at the front of the engine block, you should find '352' cast just below the driver's side head.

I said it that way because this can become confusing to many, orientation is ALWAYS done with respect to the driver. This is the way your manuals are written. So as he looks forward, the driver's side is the LEFT HAND side. Ford numbers their cylinders from the RH side (1,2,3,4) then continues down the LH side (5,6,7,8). Your engine rotates counter-clockwise because the top of the fan moves from the RH fender toward the LH fender.
Thanks mate, yes I was looking at the drivers side for the 352 stamp, but there isn't one, at least that I can see.
I probably should've also said the last pic is of the passenger side behind the alternator
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ok looked at the engine, again lol there is definitely no "352" stamped on the drivers side.
on the passenger side on the block is stamped
5750603
34C:2
22
in that order.
so according to all the posts the 430's and 352's have these stamped in the same place,
does that and the fact that it doesn't have the 352 stamp make it a 430? now I'm well and truly confused
thanks for all the help without this forum id be stuffed
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Just post a piccy of the whole motor!
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