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Generally, a Thunderbird is NOT a full size Ford however, they share many common parts.

To see the difference, you really need to see a Ford Master Parts Catalog which gives specific part numbers.

Full size Fords are mounted on frames. Squarebirds are unibody construction, spot welded to front and rear sub-frames.
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So, some progress.... backwards....
I ordered the power steering conversion kit from ABS. part# 587 Power gear box pump and shafts. I called Pedro and told him that the car was a 1960 thunderbird with a 352 big block. He said no problem. I also ordered a 33 inch flaming river tilt column, scarebird disc brake conversion and ABS's booster/master cyl.

Got everything in and finally got a day to work on the car. everything came apart real easy. not much power stereing fluid left because it leaked everywhere. It was about 2 hours to clear out all old brake lines/master and booster/ steeringbox, column and power pump.

in with the new......um no....

The gear box was not fitting into its new home. I think the adapter bracket that pedro made was cut too short and the bolt holes won't line up. Also the power pump brackets supplied were not even close to working with the 352.

Pedro's on vacation so I'm at a dead standstill. ugh...

i did get all of the scarebird disc brakes and lines mocked up and lines bent but thats as far as I go until I chat with pedro

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Before I would order any type of retrofit kit like that I would ask to see pictures of it installed in the same model car that I have. If they can't supply pictures that probably means they never tried it.

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Just out of curiosity, since you are going through all those changes, why not remove the box and add a rack gear?...
I didn't see your answer to this. Nearly all modern cars use R&P and for good reasons. Why are you removing one steering box and replacing with another ball screw?

At least three posts ask for pictures. Up to now, no pictures. Regardless, apparently you ordered 'unknown' parts from who, Pedro? Um.. ok. Why am I not surprised you are having issues?

GM cars and Ford cars are very different. If you ever have your FE engine rebuilt by a GM guy, expect troubles because FE engines are unique. Someone mentioned a 351W; that's a Mustang engine, a SBF built in Windsor and different yet from the 352 FE that was built in Dearborn.

I don't mean to sound negative but these guys who are asking for pictures know their stuff. You should listen to them.

By comparison, there are not many Squarebirds so aftermarket parts and 'kits' will be sparse. That means you need to do a lot of fabricating.

We found some ABS kits didn't exactly bolt on either but could work with tweaking. Personally, I come from an electrical background but I will not have an electric-assist system on my cars. The Buick Reatta had many horror stories about their German built Teves brake system failures. With a vacuum system, if a failure happens at least you have some brakes. - Dave
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I am not sure what parts are included in the ABS kit you purchased but I only had one issue with the installation on my 60 tbird. The pitman arm needed to be opened up slightly to fully engage the threads. I also installed ABS front and rear disc brakes with their electric powered master cylinder. One issue you will have if you install the rear disc conversion is you will need to add wheel spacers if you are still using the stock 14" wheels. You may want to call and ask for the owner, Lucio. He seems very knowledgeable and helpful. Good luck.
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The power box seemed (to me) as an easier swap than a rack system. Done it many of pontiacs of mine.
I't a fun puzzle that I will try to figure out. If not ill put back all of the old stuff and the old man can suffer... :-)
I can't post pics for some reason.
I think they had an off day and sent me the wrong stuff
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Here are some pics of a clean steering box conversion that worked. I'm not sure what column John is going to use with the new box, other than it will be a tilt column.
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A390GT, when you joined this Forum, I posted a Welcome to you in the New Members Welcoming Forum. Perhaps you did not read it last year.. Here is what it said about posting pix.

If you have any you want to share with us you can post them directly on our server as a Paid Member. To become one, have a PayPal account and click on the Donate to Site button at the top right of this Forum. Or you can create an account on one of the free picture hosting websites, upload your pictures there and post the link to them in Our Rides Forum. Or you can send them to me or Dave Dare, our webmaster ~ simplyconnected and we will post them for you. When you post pictures please set them for 800x600 size for better viewing on the Forum.
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I think half my problem is I'm trying to use this forum on my iPhone. My laptop apparently belongs to my 4 year old now...

Yellow rose do I pm to you or can you send me your e-mail?

Hopefully Pedro will be back tomorrow and we will figure out where I've gone wrong.

T-bird nice setup... That's what I'm hoping the end result will look like.
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John, yes, you might be having a problem because of using the iPhone. If you have pix you would like me to post for you, send them to me. You SHOULD be seeing my signature element on any post I make. In that signature element is my email address. In case you cannot see it, you can email me at yellowrose@squarebirds.org
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