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Old 12-04-2013, 08:27 PM
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Carl ~ partsetal and I were having a discussion regarding the 4-Way Passenger Power Seat on elijahbird7's '59 Squarebird. He thought of a subject that no one had commented on before, when it was brought up on this Forum.

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Where Sherman noted that his 59 had the automatic top as used on the 60's. No one picked up on that. We would love to hear from Alan or Fuz about this, and was surprised that neither said anything.
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Old 12-04-2013, 09:18 PM
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Tracking down when during '59 production a factory-installed fully-automatic top became available is something people have talked about for decades. Many of the electrical parts for the system in the '60 Electrical Assembly Manual have a B9SF-prefix, but without having a period copy of the Master Parts Catalog that was issued during 1959 it's hard to determine when the system came on-line. There was mention of a fully-automatic top in some sales brochures issued mid-late model year, but no listings in parts catalogs or service bulletins available to us that gave information related to a date or serial number after which an automatic top system was placed in regular production. I had thought at one time that there was a serial number given that marked the change-over, but I haven't found it. It well could be it may be buried in a Technical Service Bulletin that I don't have in my collection or some parts catalog page that I haven't found.

Without having a confirmed, documented changeover date in the literature we had at our disposal, it was decided by the then-presiding Concours Director to not bring up the possibility of '59s with an automatic top, and instead continue to research the issue until difinitive, verifiable documentation could be obtained. And belive me, we had discussions about this.
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Alan, thank you for taking the time to respond to this. It is very much appreciated. I can imagine the time and effort it must take to try to obtain proof regarding items of this nature, that are difficult to locate information on. Especially after so much time has passed and records that have been discarded or destroyed. Thanks again for the information.
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Considering how many '59 convertibles Carl and I have owned over the years and how many dozens more we've seen I have my doubts whether any were built with the automatic top option. Sherman mentioned in his post that his car has a '60 VIN number so it seems that some of his parts were replaced over the years with '59 parts. I guess it's possible to contact the owner of the highest serial numbered '59 convertible known to exist and see if it has an automatic top. That would probably put this to rest.

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From the OFS in part..."VTCI has not yet found or been provided with documentation that a fully automatic convertible top was placed in late-1959 convertibles. VTCI encourages members to forward documentation that may help establish if and when automatic tops were placed in production in 1959. This includes collecting data from 1959 convertibles with information from the car's data plate, photographs of 1959s with automatic top and lid components, and any supporting documentation. Please send this information to the VTCI Technical Director or 1958-1960 Model Manager (see the Officer Addresses page toward the front of the current Thunderbird Scoop)"

If in fact Sherman is willing to provide photos, and data plate info, I think this issue is worthy of further investigation. I don't think ( I could be wrong!) anyone would want to swap a 59 set-up for the Automatic or convert a 59 HT to a 60 style convertible.
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It was cbnsingram who said his "59" Tbird had a '60 VIN #, not Sherman. Sherman said his IS a '59.
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Ray,

You are correct. I read the thread incorrectly. It is odd that no one asked him for more info when he described his car. He hasn't posted anything in quite a while so I wonder if he still has it.

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In checking the Tbird Registry, the latest VIN # listed for a 76A '59 Convertible is this.

http://www.tbirdregistry.com/viewdat...ryNumber=25634

The VIN # is H9YJ164422, out of 67,456 produced.

The next one back beyond that listed is this.

http://www.tbirdregistry.com/viewdat...ryNumber=10859

It would be nice if we could get in contact with these people to see if theirs had a '60 convertible set up. However, these are not all that close to the end of the '59 production run. The first one listed above is over 3,000 units from the last one run.
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Ray,

Coincidentally that car is for sale on Ebay. It does not have the automatic top.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Thunder...US_Cars_Trucks

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I just PM'd Sherman to ask him if he still has his '59 and if so, if he would be willing to take pix of his '60 convertible set up, his data plate and document this for Alan and Fuz and the OFS. Sherman was last on the Forum in November. I will let ya'll know what he has to say...
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