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Old 07-12-2013, 11:16 PM
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...IF the MC/Brake Booster from MBM or ABS will fit an A/C car (which you think it does) than the only dilemma that remains would be finding a company that will sell JUST the caliper brackets that will work with 14 inch spoke wheels...
Ray thinks so because he is RUNNING those part on his Squarebird and he HAS factory A/C.

If you had a late '59 or '1960 factory PB booster under the hood, this would be an easy retrofit. Everything from the booster back to the brake pedal would remain stock. You would simply grind the rivets off the factory booster and add a modern two-stage booster and dual m/c, a combination proportioning valve and Scarebird brackets that hold S-10 brakes. We have members who have this setup so we know it works well. I am using most of this on our '59 Galaxie (which shares the same front spindles with Squarebirds).

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...If I buy those brake parts individually, only then can I save myself some money by purchasing the remainder of the generic items locally. Otherwise, it seems that I am forced to by the kit that will include everything.

I also understand that some of the companies are using the same caliper brackets but are substituting lower profile calipers for buyers with 14 inch wheels. Or they are adding a spacer to move the wheel out.
You're on the right track but a couple facts need tweaking. You can MAKE your own firewall bracket and brake pedal components if you can fabricate. Some of our members have done precisely that and are running just fine on their Squarebirds. You see, there isn't enough demand for a company to make dies for our application. We get about three guys per year who are serious about this.

In my opinion, the whole feel of the car changes dramatically with front disk brakes. They will put you through the windshield. Of the guys who went to disks, NONE of them want to revert back to drums. They keep their old part just in case a new owner wants stock parts.

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...I've also learned of an interference problem with the sway bar...
Some companies offer disk kits that interfere with the sway bar. Some also offer four-piston kits. I would NOT recommend any of these. I do recommend either swapping Granada spindles and using that Ford setup OR a better alternative is to keep your OEM spindles, add a 1-1/8" front sway bar AND a rear sway bar, and buy the SCAREBIRD brackets. The Scarebird brackets retain your OEM geometry which means you don't need a front end alignment simply because you added disk brakes. Scarebird brackets also come with a spindle spacer to put your front wheels (rotors) at OEM (drum) distance. In other words, after you're done, the spindle nut will be in the same place it was when you ran drums.

Both the Scarebird and Granada setups put the calipers behind the wheel center line instead of in front. This does not interfere with stock sway bar mounting or functions.

Since rear brakes do very little to stop a car, most folks retain their stock rear drum brakes and keep the original Emergency Brake function. - Dave
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Old 07-13-2013, 11:27 AM
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Got-it...I like the route of using the Scarebird caliper bracket with the booster from MBM or ABS and buying the other parts locally.
The only problem now is that my 14 spoke wheels may or may not fit with the Scarebird bracket? Does anyone know if they are disc brake compatible? I purchased them from Larry's in 2005-2006.

I also donated to the site to become a member. Where do I go to view the steps that others have taken?

Thanks again,
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Old 07-13-2013, 12:28 PM
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Hi Sherman, I am going to email you some additional information. As to where to go to find more of the disc brake conversion information, as I said in my email thanking you for becoming a Paid Member, look down in the Members Conference Forum in the Members Only thread.
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As far as the wire wheels go I doubt that they are disc brake compatible. They are listed as 14x5 1/2 which is the original spec. I believe they need to be at least 14x6 to fit the caliper. You are probably better off calling Larry's and asking them to be sure.

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Thanks, John because I forgot to comment on the rim situation. As I recall you are right about needing 14x6" disc brake ready rims. I was also going to suggest that he call Larrys and see what they say. But, like you said, if he wants to stay with 14" rims, he is gonna have to hunt up some 14x6" disc brake ready rims off one of the Ford disc brake equipped cars in the listing. Me, I got 5 of them so that if I ever had more than one flat, all 5 of my rims would fit on the front. I probably could have gotten by with 3, one being the spare. If he is thinking about going to 15" rims down the road, and his tires are old, or worn and need to be replaced, now is the time to do it, before he does this conversion. It is my understanding that he will have no problems with 15" rims.
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I'm sure he paid a lot for the wire wheels so I can understand why he wants to keep them. I haven't seen one recently so I don't know if some sort of wheel spacer will work. I'm sure Larry's or one of the other vendors will know. It's probably a fairly common question.

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It is looking link 15"+ wheels is the best way out of this dilemma.
So not to complicate the issue but IF I were to win the lottery, hold up a bank, or get it back from our governor, and purchase new rims and tires what size 15-16" wheels would fit?

I'm not a big fan of the tube in the KH rims but I do like the classy look. Is there anything out there that will fit my KH "Thunderbird" center from the KH wheels?

I could probably sell the KH rims and Coker tires and help off-set the cost.

Is there a way to search this site "images" to see what others have used?
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First of all, I have heard that KH wire wheels fit over calipers. Why don't you at least try them???

If they don't fit, you can buy a pair of 14" Bronco wheels.

Either solution costs very little if money is your concern. ALL 15" (and up) wheels fit over calipers.

You do NOT need spacers. They only make your wheels rub on the fender lip.

MBM and ABS do NOT sell Scarebird brackets. You need to buy them from scarebird.com. - Dave
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Go Here- http://www.abspowerbrake.com/maincat...ameset014.html

And look @ Kit 624

I wouldn't give up my KH for anybody...
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Sherman has OEM AC in his Tbird. Unless ABS guarantee's the mounting bracket they provide with the kit will work on a OEM equipped AC Tbird, that bracket will not work. The mounting bracket must not only clear the evaporator box, but also the steering column and power steering.
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