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Old 02-28-2012, 10:29 PM
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Hello All! So close to driving my baby, I can't wait! right now I am having some issues with the brakes. I cannot seem to bleed the rear brakes. The car is a 59 with the 352 and power (under hood) brakes. I tried to bleed the back brakes as I've done many a time with no luck. I replaced the wheel cylinder thinking that may have been the problem, but still no fluid movement. Am I missing something? I admit to never having bleed brakes on a car this old, but I am unaware of any adjustments I would need to make. I have not replaced the second rear wheel cylinder yet, all brake lines and hoses look very good. Front brakes bleed fine. Could it be the master cylinder? I will say that the rebuild seemed less than optimal, but mainly I just need to get her going up and down the street so I can get her in the garage to do more work. If the master cylinder does turn out to be the culprit I will be switching to disks up front, but that is a tight expense for me right now. A second question, how hard is it to add the self adjustment to the brakes? Think that covers it all, thanks all for your wisdom and help. -Robert
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Old 02-28-2012, 10:44 PM
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Have you checked the brake junction block on the axle. It could be clogged or it may be the rubber hose that goes into the junction block. I've had them get clogged from sitting. As far as the self adjusters they are pretty easy to install. The kits are different for right and left so you have to make sure you put them on the correct side. The only problem I ran into was the adjuster wheel didn't line up with the access slot on the back. I think it was only on one side though. I don't remember what side it was.
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Old 02-28-2012, 11:03 PM
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And the rubber may look pretty good on the outside of the hose, so you can't tell by looking what the insides are doing
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Old 02-29-2012, 01:59 AM
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I'm with Jopizz and Astrowing. I never believed a brake hose could de-laminate from the inside until it happened to me. The hose hole is real tiny and it doesn't take much to block it.

Another cause could be air. Your rear brake system is the longest branch. You didn't say whether you have a rebuilt or new M/C but if it is dry, it needs to be 'Bench Bled' OR, you're going to pump about 20 times to get all the air out.

With that long distance, the pedal won't move much air. To start, crack a short branch, holding your finger over the end until fluid appears. Then, you can crack the line at the rear hose inlet or at the tee on your rear axle to troubleshoot. Once brake fluid appears, it should bleed easily.

Here are the part numbers for your rear brakes:

The Carlson boxes are RH & LH self adjusters, the NAPA box contains the rear hose, and the Wagner boxes contain new rear cylinders.

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I used one of those Mity-Vac devices to bleed the brakes on my car. I put all new brake lines, dual MC, and a line lock on my car last winter; so I had a LOT of air to pull out.
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Thanks all for the responses! I have ordered the hose and the self adjusters, we will see if this works, next up I will test the long line to the back and if that doesn't work then my guess is the master cylinder is shot after all and I will be doing disk brakes. -Robert
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Old 03-19-2012, 11:53 AM
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The self adjusters...
Carlson H2545 and H2544... are these for the rear only?
Are they a complete system for adding self adjusters to where they were not before?

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Cannot find them on the NAPA site.
I was surprise to see my fronts did not have them, but all the holes and slots are there.
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Amazon has them for $8.84 ea.
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Those kits fit front and rear. H2544 is left front and rear and H2545 is right front and rear. The Wagner part numbers are H2512 left and H2513 right. They won't be listed for a squarebird. Look for 1961 Thunderbird instead. It's the same.
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Ted, Jim and John are both on the case... Since Squarebirds never came with self-adjusters, they won't be listed for those years. However... Bendix (and other companies) made these brakes and they were used on many cars.

Your front and rear brakes are the same, but many of our guys are going to power disk brakes so they only need the rear (LH & RH).

Carlson is a very good aftermarket brand and of course so is Wagner, Bendix, Raybestos, etc. These kits fit many cars across all 'big three' brands. Really if you think about it, how many different configurations of 11" brakes did they need?

BTW... What Ford Product Engineer sized the brakes used on Squarebirds? Probably a Salesman from Bendix, and the Ford Engineer went along with it. - Dave
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