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Old 09-16-2006, 01:52 PM
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Default calif smog setup

hi everyone, car has been running good, so i havent been on here for awhile. i was wondering if anyone can explain the smog crap that was required of older cars in calif. they did this by by drilling an ell fitting into the top rear of the intake manifold with a rubber hose going to a cone shaped device located over the passenger side valve cover,thermador is inscribed on the device, with a hole drilled into the valve cover so the device can insert, then the rubber hose continues to another ell fitting drilled into the top front of the intake manifold. i thought about replacing the valve cover and running a straight tube from one ell fitting to the other to clean it up temporarily, then if i rebuild the engine, just tap out the holes and use plugs on the intake manifold.does anyone know what this setup does, and if the temp clean up would work? i have photos of this setup if you need to see it.

also was wondering if anyone has used carburetors u.s.a. in new jersey to rebuild their carb. i've had bad luck w/ rebuild kits that contain plastic parts labeled o.e.m., original equip match. this company looks to be reputable, so i'm planning on sending my carter carb to them to for rebuild. any info would be helpful
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Old 09-16-2006, 05:18 PM
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Default RE: calif smog setup

Someone has been messing with your car doing their own thing. Probably to get rid of the exess blow by that these cars can have, it tends to go into the cab. As for the carb, I put in an Edelbrok and it works great. You can get one at any auto parts store. Make sure it is fitted with the auto choke. tbirdave P.S. I have an Edelbrok carb that needs to be cleaned and a auto choke attached. I will sell it to you . If interested e-mail me daveweltner@sbcglobal.net
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Old 09-16-2006, 09:24 PM
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Default RE: calif smog setup

I think someone post here a while ago about the PCV systems that were installed in California in the seventies on older cars. There are better and neater ways of doing this. There are carb spacer adapters that have connections for a PCV valve. Other more presentable ways of putting in a PCV valve system are shown the main Squarebirds site in the technical section.

Please post a picture of your current setup.

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Old 09-16-2006, 11:14 PM
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Default RE: calif smog setup

Calif doesn't reg veh's built prior to 1974 to pass smog (unless you get reported as a gross pollutor.
Mine does have the late 60's eary 70's (Ford Dealer installed) PCV syst. Runs clean, no odors. Dirties the air filter up faster.

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Old 09-16-2006, 11:28 PM
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Granddad bought my '60 from the original owner in the Los Angeles area in 1978. It's got holes drilled in the passenger side of the air cleaner for an 'L' fitting to accept a heater hose. The other end of the hose is attached to the breather, I think is what it's called.

Don't know who did it or why, but it was done in CA. No PCV valve that I know about.

Doesn't help with your situation though, sorry.
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Old 09-17-2006, 10:47 AM
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>Granddad bought my '60 from the original owner in the Los
>Angeles area in 1978. It's got holes drilled in the
>passenger side of the air cleaner for an 'L' fitting to
>accept a heater hose. The other end of the hose is attached
>to the breather, I think is what it's called.
>
>Don't know who did it or why, but it was done in CA. No PCV
>valve that I know about.

This was done primarily to prevent the Road Draft-Open Emission Sytem used prior to PCV (CA 1961) permitting crankcase fumes from escaping into the atmosphere (via open filtered oil filler cap). The crankcase drew (hopefully) clean(er) air from the air cleaner cannister (not very efficient unless the source of air is drawn from inside the filter element or a separate element is used- side filter).

SQUAREBIRD TECH ARTICLE ON PCV UPGRADE;

http://www.squarebirds.org/pcv_conversion.htm

Here is a photo of a commercially available conversion kit;

http://hotrodders.com/gallery/data/5...BIRD_RANCH.jpg

I would run a section of steel tubing as the hose in the above photo is on the verge of collapse.
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Old 09-17-2006, 07:07 PM
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Sean sent me some picture of his California smogger equipment.

http://www.squarebirds.org/smog/smog-setup.jpg

http://www.squarebirds.org/smog/valve-cover-fitting.jpg

http://www.squarebirds.org/smog/valv...r-fitting2.jpg

http://www.squarebirds.org/smog/manifold-fitting.jpg

http://www.squarebirds.org/smog/manifold-fitting2.jpg

Is there a PCV fitting in that contraption on valve cover? I wonder why two fittings were put into the intake manifold instead of just one. I assume the hole for the manifold vent tube has been plugged.

I do not like the aesthetics of this system. If it were my car, I remove the fittings and seal the holes, returning the car to original. If necessary, I would get a new valve cover and manifold. If I wanted to put in a PCV system I would put in one that is more visual pleasing and less anachronistic. Many people on this site have put in PCV systems. They look better than this.

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Old 09-18-2006, 09:46 AM
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>Sean sent me some picture of his California smogger
>equipment.
>
>Is there a PCV fitting in that contraption on valve cover? I
>wonder why two fittings were put into the intake manifold
>instead of just one. I assume the hole for the manifold vent
>tube has been plugged.
>
>I do not like the aesthetics of this system. If it were my
>car, I remove the fittings and seal the holes, returning the
>car to original. If necessary, I would get a new valve cover
>and manifold. If I wanted to put in a PCV system I would put
>in one that is more visual pleasing and less anachronistic.
>Many people on this site have put in PCV systems. They look
>better than this.

It appears to have a diaphram inside of it. It is either an oil separator or accessory PCV valve. FORD did offer Emmission Reduction Kits in the early sixties and I think I remember reading where CA required this on older models as the PVC installation came mandatory in 1961 (CA).

MPC lists a Emmissions Reduction Kit (Basic PN 6A603) and lists one especially for the 60 BIRD. I have no cataloging prior to 1960.

It appears the kit has a vacuum signal at both front and rear runners (correct design is to have the vacuum signal sourced from the plenun so as to distribute the fumes to all cylinders for even burn).

If it is decided to remove it and go back to Road Draft or a later PCV installation, I would save those parts.
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Old 09-18-2006, 10:03 AM
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Default Uh...sheesh...

After focusing on the photos awhile...This appears to be a 430.

I was in cataloging for a 352 and just went back for a kit number for the 430. None is listed (it may have been deleted before Final Issue) (or this may be an FE kit modified to fit) (or the dual signal source in the intake runners may signal OEM 430 rather than just removing the FE road draft tube and modifying it as shown elsewheres here).

It is much more difficult to retrofit a PCV system on an early 430 than 352 because of top engine design. You would need to find a later (61/ ) valley pan and modify the road draft intake tube below it.
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Old 09-18-2006, 07:18 PM
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Default RE: calif smog setup

How do you shave an inch off the top of the air cleaner with that rig? You can hardly close the hood on a squarebird now and with give in the motor mounts... My hood scoop had a dimple from the all thread bolt and the air cleaner prevented the hood from closing so the car didn't have any air cleaner when I bought it.

My 430 had that cali crap on it and it's all gone now and back original. The extra spacer under my carb sucked blowby into the intake from the passenger valve cover through a PCV valve.

Smog? What's that???

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