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Old 07-26-2006, 07:48 PM
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Default RE: Don't Get Down

I got a picture of the engine casting # no Ford "575" number, but EDC-60150. Your right KULTULZ , HAWKROD might just have the answer.


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Old 07-27-2006, 02:56 AM
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>I got a picture of the engine casting # no Ford "575" number, but EDC-60150.

>Your right KULTULZ , HAWKROD might just have the answer.

EDC is indicative of a 1958 332/352 block casting.

I PM'd HAWKROD and hopefully he will come by soon to hopefully shed some light on this....

The worst that can happen is having to source a period correct 4100. The car is more than worth the effort.


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Old 07-27-2006, 03:20 AM
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>So where do I look this info up on my TBird?

http://www.tbirdregistry.com/see/vina.htm
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Old 07-28-2006, 11:58 PM
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>BTW- The engine code prefix EDC is 332 and EDG is 352. If a
>component has EDC, it meant it was 332 specific but could
>also be used on the 352 if it was designed as such.

>As for the carburetor, you will see the stampings on the
>airhorn and the right mounting foot;

http://hotrodders.com/gallery/data/5..._58A_352_1.jpg

>HAWKROD will have more knowledge of this early FE.

CORRECTION!

Prefix EDC refers to the 332 FE

Prefix EDG refers to the 383 MEL (MERC)

Prefix EDT refers to the 352 FE

I will get my act together one day I guess... :(
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Old 07-29-2006, 11:29 PM
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>>Agreed.... everthing I have says exactly the same thing.
>>The carb I have is identical to the one above in KULTULZ'
>>picture above. Would the Ford Master Parts book should tell
>>me where my carb came from (#5750068)? Were the carbs
>>interchangable (carter and 4100)or is it a manifold change
>>as well? All the linkages and connections certainly seem
>>factory, not "mickey mouse". What other early '58 Fords had
>>a 352 w/solid lifters and a carter AFB?
>>
>>
>>@KULTULZ
>>Thanks for all the info, I'm still not sure if I should be
>>excited or saddened by this whole thing.
>>If the car indeed came with that early '58 solid lifter
>>engine then I would also think it would make it more
>>valuable/interesting.. but if the carb came with that engine
>>then it's not "proper"
>
>Don't get down Frank. The carb. no. should be listed in the
>MPC. You may (or may not) have a rare bird (pun intended).
>
>The 58 FORD came through with the CARTER and/or the 4100.
>FORD during this period used all three models
>(HOLLEY-CARTER-AUTOLITE) as they couldn't keep up with
>production. The 4100 will bolt directly to your intake but
>you may need a different fuel line and other small details.
>
>Let's wait for HAWKROD to cruise through. He does have the
>correct MPC.


I agree. That carb's lack of documentation in itself speaks volumes. It's rare and to the right percon will fetch many hundreds.

I pulled a 4100 Autolite off my 430 and was disappointed when I found out it wasn't the right carb. Disapointed until I learned it was a correct numbered 66 Mustang 1.08" venturi carb and a woman doing a concours restoration on her 66 gave me 400 bucks for it.

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Old 07-30-2006, 10:18 AM
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>The intake manifold is cast marked 5750034, it should (I
>think) be marked 5751037.

Frank,

I was perusing this site early this morning and came across an excellent tech article...

http://www.squarebirds.org/users/johng/OCC.htm

...describing John G's recounting of his 1958 BIRD 352 overhaul. In it you will see he has the same intake and a brief description of his having a later hydraulic lifter engine;

Excerpt-

"This shot shows the block casting number as the motor is upside down and out in the sun. The top number reads 5750603 indicating it is a 1958 352 motor with hydraulic lifters. The number underneath is the date of manufacture, 1958, May, 13., 2nd shift. This is correct for my chasis, which also has a May 20, 1958 scheduled production date."

The fifth character on the intake manifold Casting I.D. No. is hard (for me) to read. I cannot determine if it is a 3 or an 8. But this should ease your mind as to whether the engine is correct for the car. He also shows 5751034. The 5751087 (or 37) casting I.D. I previously mentioned was from a 1959 352.

Still working on the carburetor.




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Old 07-30-2006, 04:01 PM
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The intake 5750034 was a casting number used for 1958 352 engines. The other number was 5751087. The date code 7A H as I can read it decodes to 1957 January 8th. There is another character in the last position that I cannot make out. I have not seen the last char. on 58 intake manifolds that I have.

Head This works for a 352 but does not gurantee it 7A L decodes
1957 january 11. The date codes that are documented so far for 58's are located between 2 & 3 cylinders as this one, but under the valve cover just over the lip. Therefore this date code appears in the wrong position if it was a 58 tbird 352 engine.

The block code next.

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Old 07-30-2006, 04:06 PM
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You know, I read John's (well written) Bird story a while back, before I had engine concerns.... I didn't think to compare some of the numbers. Well, one thing for sure, we certainly have the same manifolds. The carb seems to be the weak (maybe) point now. I have looked all over trying to find info on what 1958 Ford had a 352 with solid lifters and a carter carb... no luck. I sure do appreciate all your help...
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Old 07-30-2006, 04:12 PM
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Embossed Date code by dip stick

This decodes 1-7APO 1 is cleveland as noted earlier 7 is 1957, A is January, P is 14 and the last one is the person who either inspected the engine or built the engine. All this fits this engine but whether it a 352, who knows. The chances of this engine getting into a 58 bird at the factory in highly unlikely. More likely this is a Standard Ford engine. Another clue comes from the position of the Vacuum brass piece near the carb. If this was a bird engine this would be in the left front of the intake near cylinder #5.

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Old 07-30-2006, 04:33 PM
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thanks for the help trying to decifer all of this.....Here is something that has just been brought to my attention.
I quote:

"The "A" in the codes is for the month of November for both the assembly and casting dates. Ford apparently was in a transition period during the fall of 1957 on how to date-code their castings and assemblies, as the second digit used numbers from 1-9 for January-September, 0 for October, A for November and B for December. With this being the case, a mid-late November '57 assembly date would make sense for an early 352."

I did kinda think that January of 1957 was a little early to be casting/assembling 1958 engines. I believe that the engine is all original to itself (probably out of a full size). But the remaining question seems to be, What 1958 Ford product had a 352 with solid lifters and a carter AFB?
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