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Old 07-24-2006, 11:21 AM
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Early 1958 352 valve covers were blank and were not stamped "FORD", but still had the five bolt pattern.

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Old 07-24-2006, 01:28 PM
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>Early 1958 252 valve covers were blank and were not stamped
>"FORD", but still had the five bolt pattern.
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Interesting,

I never realized that. When did they go to stamped FORD?

And THUNDERBIRD I guess in 1961?

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Old 07-24-2006, 01:34 PM
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>>It is interesting how that surge tank on that prototype 430
>>is in the same orientation as the 352.
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>>Alexander
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>It's my understanding the 430 58 T-Birds didn't vave A/C
>until they made room for the compressor by turning the surge
>tank 90 degrees and moving the side mounted fuel pump to the
>top of the engine where the surge tank used to be. That
>freed up a space for the compressor.

I am wondering if they origionally used an FE tank? Is the thermostat mounting the same J?
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Old 07-24-2006, 02:11 PM
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You know I just had a pair of those! I ordered a set from a T-Bird parts house up in Oregon or Washington for my 430 and got a smooth pair with wire combs welded to them but they didn't say FORD. They were shorter than the 430 covers and also had 5 bolts. I returned them for credit along with a photo of 430 covers but I didn't know they made any 352 covers without the FORD stamping either.
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Old 07-24-2006, 02:18 PM
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>I am wondering if they origionally used an FE tank?
They did because the 430 tank was smooth not indented like the one in the photo which is the same as the tank used on the 352 cars.


>Is the thermostat mounting the same J? Yes.

It was in the same place as the later 430 intakes. Right underneath the surge tank flange plate.


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Old 07-24-2006, 02:40 PM
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>>>It is interesting how that surge tank on that prototype 430
>>>is in the same orientation as the 352.
>>>
>>>Alexander
>>>1959 Hardtop
>>>1960 Golde Top
>>
>>It's my understanding the 430 58 T-Birds didn't vave A/C
>>until they made room for the compressor by turning the surge
>>tank 90 degrees and moving the side mounted fuel pump to the
>>top of the engine where the surge tank used to be. That
>>freed up a space for the compressor.
>
>I am wondering if they origionally used an FE tank? Is the
>thermostat mounting the same J?

You know just when you think you know it turns out you don't ...

http://www.rhyner.com/59jbird/photos/352_tank.jpg

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Old 07-24-2006, 02:47 PM
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I got this photo off the net.

Anyone notice the wingnut on the air cleaner air intake? Not on the cover, the other one.

This air cleaner is from a 430 engine and that wing nut secures the temperature controlled damper tube to the air cleaner. That wing nut and threaded stud are not on any 352 air cleaner I've ever seen.
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That another difference between the early and later 352 valve covers. The early ones have intergral wire looms. I am not sure when they made the changeover, but it was fairly early in production for the 1958 model year.

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My original 352 has that wing nut on the snout.
I read on a previous thread somewhere on this board - a long time ago - that this was standard equipment even though the 352 didn't come with the heat tube.

Apparently they just used the same air cleaner on both engines and left the heat tube off the 352.

I have a friend with an original untouched 352 and his has the same wing nut mine does.
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I can not get under the car to check other casting numbers. I'm sure it is a 352.... but what 352 with that carb setup? I will remove the carb to see if I can get any numbers off of it.. all I can see under the crap is "carter AFB" . this is what I'm starting with. (note the smooth black valve covers with built in loom in the center.)



This engine assembly date code puzzles me. 1-7AP0 <-- I think it's a zero.

and here is the culprit....


This thread is getting so interesting, thanks guys... we're on a roll.
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