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Old 02-12-2011, 06:50 PM
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Doning the under hood stuff to pretty up the car. I ordered the paint from a TBird vendor but the colors don't look right. The valve covers are bright yellow and air cleaner is gloss white. Where can I can the correct paint in a rattle can?
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Old 02-12-2011, 07:26 PM
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Hey Dave,
Goldenrod Yellow was for the '60-352-300 hp engine!
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P.S. Done some searching and found this, http://www.tbirdranch.com/5860concours.html
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According to the VTCI Official Factory Specifications, the correct color for the 1960 352 valve covers is Goldenrod Yellow. For the air cleaner it is white.
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Dave further to the guys comments our Mr.Tast would be able to chime in with the exact, as he wrote the book. On the 60 the valve cover colours in our Technical Section it calls for a Ditzler Yellow ( Medium Bright Yellow ) My 60HT exterior colour is Moroccan Ivory ( a very nice cream yellow ) and I didn't have the heart to do my valve covers Ditzler Yellow too much yellow. I went the chrome route on the valve covers and the air cleaner for a little extra pop.

Technical Section:
# DAR 2414 OR Dupont #5374 ( chrome optional )
The air cleaner is white ( Colonial White ).
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Goldenrod Yellow was the sales name used for the bright yellow first used on '55 Ford/T-bird exteriors. It was carried forward for use on valve covers for the '60 352-300 hp engine. The 352-360 hp engines (not offered in T-birds) did use a gold color that was also used on '61-'63 390 hipo/406 engines (not to be confused with the Castillain Gold used on '63-'64 390-4v engines or the Gold used on 289 ci small-blocks or Gold Bronze on '65 390-4v's).

Now, it just so happens that I've been working on compiling paint code numbers from various manufacturers and narrowing down engine-related paint colors as part of my on-going research for VTCI's Original Factory Specifications books. For '58-'60 here's what I have to date. Note that numbers in italics are not confirmed formula numbers. Paint numbers from Ditzler/PPG, duPont and Martin Senour are taken from 1950s-1960s paint chip charts and a listing of Ditzler/PPG engine paints from circa 1971: I have no idea what their curent versions are. These numbers should help you to narrow down a cross-reference number for more-modern paint systems.

I know not know numbers for rattle can formulas. At best I suggest you go to your local auto body paint jobber and ask them if they can load paint into aerosol cans for you (most places can do this).

I have listed both enamel and lacquer numbers, but for durability purposes I would stay with enamels. For the Ditzler/PPG codes, DQE- is an enamel formula, DAL- is lacquer, DDE- is what I believe a code for engine enamel, and DE- is the code used circa 1971 for enamel. More research is needed to determine if other manufacturers (duPont, R-M, Sherwin-Williams, etc.) have similar codes for engine colors that carry cross references to Ford M-#'s.

Engine Black: Engine Block, Heads, Intake, Front Cover, Water Pump, Oil Pan
1958 Ford/T-bird 352
Ditzler Enamel#: DQE-9003
Ford #: M-2824

Engine Black: Engine Block, Heads, Intake, Front Cover, Water Pump, Oil Pan
1959-1960 Ford/T-bird 352
Ditzler Enamel#: DQE-9003
Ford #: M1J-995, M1J-1611, M1J-1616, EP-1724 (Reconditioning Engine Black)

Ford listed M-2824 prior to 1985-1959; M1J-995 appears to have been brought out in 1958, and M4J-1611 and M1J-1616 in 1963 as a black for engines, but it's not confirmed if the numbers designated different formulation or gloss levels. Ditzler/PPG listed DQE-9000 as being used 1964-1965, while DQE-9003 was listed as a Ford standard/utility color used 1963 and prior. DQE-9000/9003 appear to be engine gloss/semi-gloss black in comparison to DQE-9123 (see next paragraph).
Black (Engine): Valve Covers

1959-1960 T-bird/Lincoln 430
Ditzler Enamel: DQE-9123
Ford #: ? ?

Ditzler/PPG noted that Ditzler Enamel# DQE-9123 was a flat black used for Lincoln Continental 430 valve covers 1963-prior (which I think is more of a semi-gloss finish) and as a standard/utility color the period, and that DQE-9000, which was a gloss black, was used on 1964-1965 Lincoln Continentals. It appears to me that Ditzler's number for the paint used on brackets and other underhood items may be DQE-9123, and that the black used on engines and valve covers for the T-bird and Lincoln 430 may be DQE-9003/M4J-995. The Ford M-#'s that coincide with DQE-9003 and DQE-9123 need to be determined.

Argent Silver/Aluminum: Engine Accessories, i.e. Power Steering Reservoir
Ditzler Enamel: DEE-45
Ford #: M2J-23

This is Ford's standard/utility color used through the '50s and into the '70s/beyond on everything from 1950s full-size front bumper splash pans to '60s trim inserts. This # appears to be from the late 1940s-early 1950's. There is another engine color that appears in Ford literature for Argent Silver, M1J-607, which first shows up in 1956 literature, which may be the color used for 1961-1962 T-bird air cleaners and valve covers.

Colonial White: Air Cleaner
1958-1960 T-bird 352 & 430
Ditzler Enamel/Lacquer #: DQE-8103 / DAL-8103
duPont Stock #/ Duco #: 2214
duPont Dulux #: 93-59543
Martin Senour Lacquer #: 61T-2542
Martin Seynour Synthol #: 80T-1040
Ford #: M4J-524

Bright Blue (Engine): (Not to be confused with Ford Corporate Blue used '66-'71)
1958 - Ford/T-bird 352-300 hp Engine Block, Heads, Intake, Front Cover, Water Pump, Oil Pan
1959 - Ford/T-bird 352-300 hp Valve Covers
Ditzler Enamel#: DQE-11297
Ford #: M1J-998

For comparison, the blue used starting in 1966 has a different number:
Ford Corporate Blue: Engine, Valve Covers, Air Cleaner
1966 All Engines
Ditzler Enamel#: DQE-13358
Ford #: EP-2075 (Reconditioning Engine Blue)

Turquoise (Engine):
1958 - Ford 332//T-bird 332-Export Engine Block, Heads, Intake, Front Cover, Water Pump, Oil Pan
1959-1960 - Ford 352-2v Valve Covers (Need to verify if also used on T-bird Low Compression/Export engines)
Ditzler Enamel: DQE-12007
Ford #: M1J-951

Goldenrod Yellow: Valve Covers
1960 Ford/T-bird 352-300 hp
Ditzler Enamel/Lacquer #: DQE-80653 / DAL-80653
duPont Stock #/ Duco #: 1939
Martin Senour Lacquer #: 93-58044
Ford #: M2J-358

The Ditzler listings also had a few more yellows for Ford engine colors as follows:

Bright Yellow: Valve Covers, Air Cleaner (?)
1964-1965 Comet (need engine application)
Ditzler Enamel #: DQE-80301
Ford #: ? ?

Yellow:
1963 Comet Valve Covers, Air Cleaner (?) (need engine application);
1964-1965 Ford Trucks w/Cummins Diesels Engine Long Block, Valve Covers
Ditzler Enamel #: DQE-81196
Ford #: ? ?

For comparison, this is for the '60-'63 HiPo engines (NOT for T-bird 390-4v '63-'64) and '65 Ford/T-bird 390-4v:
Gold (Engine, HiPo): Valve Covers, Air Cleaner
1960 352-360 hp HiPo, 1961-1962 390 HiPo, 1962-1963 406 HiPo
Ditzler Enamel/Lacquer #: DQE-21903 / DAL-21903
Ford #: ? ? (Need Ford's color #)

Ditzler/PPG also listed a few more standard/utility colors that may have the following applications needing verification:

Black DE-9003 (Noted above, appears to be the black used on engine long blocks 1959-1963)

Blue Gray DE-30113 (May be for 1965-late '60s Ford/Thompson PS Pump? Need verification: the Ford/Thompson pumps used a bluish-green color)

Silver Gray DE-30120 (Noted above, need more informaton on usage - I don't believe this is the same as Argent Silver, but may be M1A-607 for full-size Ford air cleaners from 1955-1957 and air cleaners/valve covers for '61-'62 Ford/T-bird 390-4v engines?)

Green DE-40133 (I doubt this was used on the 'Bird - I think it's for the industrial engines - more info needed on this)

Flat Black DE-9123 (Might be the color number Ditzler uses for accessory brackets, etc. - see comments above on Lincoln Continental black engine finishes)

Torch Red DQE-70801 (Not used on '58-'60 T-birds that I'm aware of) - this was used on Ford 6-cylinder (?) and 292 Car/Truck air cleaners/valve covers, as well as on Dagenham-procuded diesels)

Any additional information that can be provided by others for other paint manufacturers would be appreciated.
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Thanks, Alan, for that great Valentine's Day gift! I am going to add this to the Technical Resource Library so our members will be able to find it quickly instead of having to dig through old posts to find it! With proper credit, of course! We are so fortunate to have access to the man with more knowledge of these old Tbirds of ours than you could ever imagine! Thanks very much!
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Amazing research. Thanks. Do you know if there are rattle can equivalents?
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I've seen rattle cans of 'Ryder Yellow' which is a fleet color being sold as correct for the valve covers, but I've never had a chip of goldenrod with which to compare it.
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I think I'll go to the automotive paint store with the correct numbers and just buy a small amount. Thanks,
Dave
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Please note that information was updated from the original posting: my original post has been edited with corrected/added information.

And, no, I DO NOT KNOW what the numbers are for rattle cans or modern equivalents. If you find something, post the info in this thread.
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