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Old 07-17-2006, 09:50 AM
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Thanks again everyone.

Especially for the wiring diagram. The frustrating part is that after we agreed on everything friday when I posted the question in anticipation of getting a squarebird the owner backed out of the sale again. This is the second tie he has changed his mind. Next time I'm waiting until it is on the truck in transit before even letting myself dream about cruising around town.

The seller doesn't want to sign a contract that says he has no knowlege of any hidden defects and that the vehicle in in good working order when he send it to me. He may come around, but for now the on again off again car sale is off. It's probably a sign that I should run from this one anyway. Who knows.

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Old 07-17-2006, 09:08 PM
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I wouldn't let his not wanting to sign a contract stop you from buying it. I wouldn't either. Take it to a garage and have a mechanic check it out for major trouble and if it's in fair shape buy it.

Here's a bit of advice. Life is short.If you like the car just buy it and don't press the owner. The worse thing that can happen is you stick some money into a slipping tranny of the engine. Probably needs work after 50 years anyway.

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Old 07-17-2006, 10:00 PM
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If you buy a nearly 50-year-old used car, there are probably going to be some problems. Even if everything is working something may break six months after you get. I bought a 1960 Golde Top a few years back that had not run since 1976. Surprisingly few things were wrong with it, but I took a chance when I bought it.

These are basically good cars. If there is a mechanical problem, the parts are available and you can fix it. The good part is is when you fix it it will be as good as new.

Look at it this way, half the fun of an old car is bringing it back to the new state.

The thing that you want to look out for is extensive rust and bondo. The inner rocker panels are especially hard to fix. You can check that by a visual inspection and by using a magnet.

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Old 07-18-2006, 11:01 AM
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Maybe you guys are right, but you see the car is across the U.S. from me. I had it inspected visually by an inspection company and they said it looks okay. Yeah, it has some problems, I expect it to be a 50 year old car. My hesitation is this. The clause the seller is objecting to is:

"Seller has no knowledge of any hidden defects in and to the Vehicle, and believes to the best of Sellerís knowledge that the Vehicle being sold is in good operating condition, except for (list of defects here). Seller is selling the vehicle as is."

So, is it me or if someone refuses to agree that they have no knowledge of hidden defect does it make you wonder? Maybe I'm just paranoid. It has a bad temp guage. I had an expereince with a car that overheated once. I put $1000 into it trying to get it right. Yeah, it would run, but things kept breaking down after that overheat. I ended up selling that car at a huge loss.

Granted, if I could go out and pick it up then things would be different, but he will have most of my money and the car for 2 weeks while I arrange shipping. SO, I can't haul it into a mechanic and have a compression test and a vacuum test done on it.

Do people here really think that clause is unreasonable?

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Old 07-18-2006, 02:45 PM
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A bit off topic, but is there a reason you are so attached to this particular car? There are squarebirds for sale all over the place. Check out http://ww2.collectorcartraderonline.com/ do a search for 1958-1960 T-birds. 65 cars come up, in a wide price range and lots of colors.

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Old 07-18-2006, 03:19 PM
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>A bit off topic, but is there a reason you are so attached
>to this particular car? There are squarebirds for sale all
>over the place. Check out
>http://ww2.collectorcartraderonline.com/ do a search for
>1958-1960 T-birds. 65 cars come up, in a wide price range
>and lots of colors.
>
>Good luck,
>Mel

Thanks Mel,

No I'm not that attached to that one, though it had everything I was looking for. I also invested a lot of time and asome money in having it inspected. Check my wanted post in the for sale/wanted forum. I'm looking for a 1960 (I am very attached to the 60, I just prefer the grill and the six rear lights over the 4 that the 58 and 59 had), black exterior, black & white (or just black) interior with A/C. Factory AC is still on of my big requirements at the moment. I live in a swamp and when it is 100 degrees and 100 percent humidity you really want AC. At this point I may eventually consider repainting one since I'm not 100% concerned about matching color codes. I actually found the one I was looking at (the second one I've considered so far) on collector car trader online.

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Old 07-18-2006, 04:08 PM
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The engine of my 1960 Golde Top seized two years after I bought it because the oil pump pick-up screen was clogged. John G on this site found the same this before his engine seized. This is a hidden defect; I doubt that the seller knew about this. You can say this is a hidden defect. How could you prove that a seller knew about a defect? I am not a lawyer, but all the old used cars I have bought are sold "as is" with no warranty. I have tried to inspect them as best as possible and then cross my fingers.

I myself would not sign a paper saying that a car has no hidden defects. I cannot guarantee that something will go wrong, and the buyer will say I knew about this.

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Old 07-18-2006, 08:18 PM
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>I myself would not sign a paper saying that a car has no
>hidden defects. I cannot guarantee that something will go
>wrong, and the buyer will say I knew about this.

Alexander,

I don't know. Maybe I just read contracts all the time since in my work I deal with construction, but all that contract says is that the seller did not willingly hide a known hidden defect. The key being willingly. The proof would be that the buyer would have to find a mechanic or some other evidence that the owner knew about it. You are right it wouldn't be easy to do, but it is an attempt to get someone to take responsibility and commit to the fact that they made a full disclosure of what they know. A good example might be if it showed up and the block was cracked. It happens in 30's cars occasionally and they still run(I've never seen a later era car have it, but I certainly haven't seen them all). If there was a lot of other evidence that the car had overheated it would be difficult to believe that the owner didn't see the crack in the block. It is the same liability that you take selling on ebay since they have a disclosure clause as far as I understand which is why if it shows up on the buyer's doorstep with defects that you would have easily been aware of but didn't disclose they give the seller $20,000 in loss coverage and come after you. So your pump wouldn't have been covered. The owner didn't know. How could he unless he did some sort of oil pressure test or something that showed there was a problem and he didn't disclose that problem to you. Maybe I do see lawyers too often. I believe though you would find that contract in many change of property contracts, like a house for example (I seem to remember one when I bought mine). It doesn't say there are [strong]no[/strong] hidden defects, it says that to your knowledge you don't know of any. Legal speak for just standing up and saying you don't know of anything wrong with the car except 1.2.3. ... I can list off the known defects on my 88 mazda pretty easily. In this case the seller really didn't disclose anything that didn't work except the AC. All of the other defects which in my opinion should have been disclosed were told to me by the inspector. Then his refusal to sign a clause that says he doesn't know of anything that has not been already disclosed that is wrong? Makes me think the inspector missed something and this guy just isn't going to add anything to it. It shouldn't be confused with a warranty. The engine could blow up right after you buy it and you would probably have no recourse.

Oops, I guess I got a little long winded. Anyway, that sale is off. When I get back from vacation I'll go back to looking again.

Thanks everyone for all of the help and advice. I'm guessing I'm just going to have to do the sale in person. Then I can look at it and take it the same day if I can get someone to say there isn't anything wrong with it. ;)

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Old 07-18-2006, 10:44 PM
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If you find a Squarebird and it is not nearby you, if it is nearby me, I might might be able to look it over. Others on this site may do the same for you. Someone familiar with these cars may be be better to find some flaws than a person with just a general knowledge of cars.

Good luck in your search.

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Old 07-18-2006, 10:56 PM
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Thanks Alexander.

The last one was just outside of Phoenix in Arizona. It had a lot of owners in the last few years. Which was another thing that made me a little nervous. The current owner had it for just under 1 year.

I put this in your inbox as well, but here is the link for anyone that might be interested to a sample sales contract with a similar clause.

http://www.legaldocs.com/htsgif.d/xcarbuy.mv

I'll find the perfect Squarebird with the right combination one day. After all the search is part of the enjoyment too. :)

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>If you find a Squarebird and it is not nearby you, if it is
>nearby me, I might might be able to look it over. Others on
>this site may do the same for you. Someone familiar with
>these cars may be be better to find some flaws than a person
>with just a general knowledge of cars.
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>Good luck in your search.
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