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Old 09-09-2011, 05:25 PM
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Started my 65 Bird today & drove it out of garage & it stalled & I can't get it started. Nothing, no lights etc. Put in a new battery & lights inside on but when I went to start it nothing & no lights again. Don't know where to begin to look to solve this.
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Old 09-09-2011, 05:48 PM
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Check your main battery leads ARE making full contact with the battery, clean them up where they fit the battery posts and clean the posts up too..

Make sure the leads are also making contact where they are meant to and haven't broken anywhere - check your earth wire at the motor and body.

And your positive wire at the solenoid.

Sounds like the classic case of enough contact until a big load goes on (like when you try to start) and it burns out the contact area.
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Old 09-09-2011, 08:28 PM
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Do these cars have a neutral safety switch similar to the Squarebirds? If so try switching to neutral and see if it will turn over - may just be corroded contacts or out of adjustment.

If you have a voltmeter you can check voltages from the battery to the solenoid then starter etc.

If all else fails you can bypass the starter solenoid with a jumper cable - clamp one side to the + battery and TOUCH the other side to the starter lead side - should turn unless the starter windings opened up. BE VERY CAREFUL IF YOU DO THIS. Make sure the car is in Park, ebrake on etc.

With no lights though sounds more in line with what scumdog mentioned - good connection for low current like interior lights but as soon as high current flows for the starter that connection opens up - check the grounds too.

Good luck - let us know how it turns out.
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Old 09-09-2011, 11:52 PM
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The ground cable goes from the battery to a bolt and flag near the alternator on the inner apron, then down to the block. They all have to be clean and tight. I bet you find a bad connection in the cables. Good luck, Bob C
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Old 09-15-2011, 06:39 AM
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After replacing the neg. cable on the battery it starts up fine. Another problem developed -- the amp gauge on the dash is now going like crazy back & forth from D to C. & the lights are flickering including the ones on the dash. Don't know what caused this.
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Thanks redstangbob and Scumdog. I got my info from the 1965 Ford Service Manual, but maybe we are talking about the same wire in this case:


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After replacing the neg. cable on the battery it starts up fine. Another problem developed -- the amp gauge on the dash is now going like crazy back & forth from D to C. & the lights are flickering including the ones on the dash. Don't know what caused this.
This will be more difficult without a lot more information.

Sounds like the ammeter is responding to a circuit breaker going on and off (but I cannot be sure without further electrical checks).

Listen intently for a clicking sound under the dash or under the hood. Let us know what you found. We had an instance where the license plate lamp holder was shorted to ground and it caused the same kind of symptoms. Check for devices going on and off, or things that just don't work. - Dave
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Old 09-15-2011, 04:43 PM
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OK, sorry my response was meant so Whitebird didn't go looking for a wire that wasn't going to be there. The neg cable leaves the battery post, goes to the top of the frame/apron just to the side of the alternator where it has a flag that is bolted to the unibody. It also has a second wire eyelet that has 2 wires, one goes the the ground post on the alternator, the other enters the harness and travels across the car over the top of the radiator. Make sure you have these ground connections clean and tight. Hope that clears things up. PS, I've found more than a few parts of the shop manual, including pictures, that were just re-used from previous years. In fact there's a picture of the rear brake shoes in the opposite locations, Just Sayin'
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Old 09-10-2011, 08:10 AM
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Thanks all. I will check the connections. Probably is one of these because it started fine & then nothing. Will post what I find.
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Old 09-10-2011, 09:07 AM
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Sounds like what happen to my '60 a few weeks ago. She started fine, backed her out of the garage, parked her and done some things in the garage. Went out, sometime later, to get her and put her up and nothing. I have a disconnect on the positive side of battery (I know some of you do not like putting them on positive side) and never bother the negative side. I checked the battery with tester, it was OK! Took the cables off and the positive post and cable connector had corroded inside and was not making connection. Cleaned both positive and negative post and cables, reinstalled, add some electrical grease and she fired right up!
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Old 09-14-2011, 12:14 PM
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Hi guys -- I replaced the positive cable & nothing & then I replaced the negative cable to the battery & it started right up. Thanks for all your help, i appreciate it ---- Whitebird
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