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  • rannugno
    Apprentice
    • Aug 22 2011
    • 81

    Inerior PPG color number

    Hi,

    Anyone know the correct PPG or Ford color number for interior for a 58 T-bird, or where to find it?
    The interior code is XA (blue and blue tweed). I guess the blue color is the same as interior code XE (blue and white).

    Gunnar
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    #2
    Hey Gunnar,
    Here is one article I found; http://automotivemileposts.com/tbird...eriortrim.html
    Richard D. Hord

    Here's another; http://www.love-fords.org/documents/...trim-codes.pdf

    Paint A Black, E Snowshoe White, R Torch Red, T Thunderbird Blue, V Goldenrod Yellow, Navajo Gray, A Raven Black, E Colonial White, J Buckskin Tan, K Fiesta Red, L Peacock Blue, T Silver Gray, Z Sage Green, C Dresden Blue, F Starmist Blue, G Cumberland Green, J Willow Green, K Silver Mocha, L Doeskin Tan, N Gunmetal Gray, Q Bronze, T Woodsmoke Gray, V Berkshire Green, V Flame Red, W Springmist Green, X Dusk Rose, Y Inca Gold, Y Sunset Coral, Z Coral Sand, Platinum, B Winterset White, C Desert Beige, D Palomino Tan, G Sun Gold, I Grenadier Red, K Everglade Green, M Gulfstream Blue, V Casino Cream, W Cameo Rose, X Cascade Green, X Monarch Blue, X Peach, Z Regatta Blue, P Primer, S Special
    Last edited by Guest; January 15, 2012, 06:27 PM.

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    • jopizz
      Super-Experienced


      • Nov 23 2009
      • 8316

      #3
      I don't believe the interior paint codes are listed anywhere unless they happen to be in one of the old Ford upholstery books. It's best just to take a sample of your interior to your paint supplier and have it mixed.
      John Pizzi - Squarebirds Administrator

      Thunderbird Registry #36223
      jopizz@squarebirds.org 856-779-9695

      https://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm

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      • partsetal
        Super-Experienced
        • Jun 4 2005
        • 852

        #4
        I have a Dupont color chip folder for 1960 Ford Motor Company and it has the Dupont formulas for the interior colors. That would lead me to believe that someone with the chips for the 1958 Ford Motor Company would have what you're looking for.
        Carl

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        • rannugno
          Apprentice
          • Aug 22 2011
          • 81

          #5
          Thanks all for your response.

          I also got a friend that is a sand blaster and hobby painter. He also think a PPG code for the interior exist, but it seems hard to find. I guess the solution is to bring some part from the interior to the paint shop for scanning. It also a problem that the color on the interior also have changed over time. But I guess it's best to bring with me some of the vinyl parts, they seems not to have changed so much as the metal details.
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          Gunnar S - 58 Thunderbird
          http://squarebirds.org/users/gunnar/...bird/index.htm
          http://www.tbirdregistry.com/viewdat...tryNumber=5569

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          • rannugno
            Apprentice
            • Aug 22 2011
            • 81

            #6
            XA and XE not the same blue color tone

            The interior color code XA (blue, blue tweed and white) and XE (blue and white) do not use the same blue color tone. I asked a lot of people (suppliers) regarding this before i ordered and they all meant it was the same. As you can see on the pictures bellow, the blu tone is not the same. The piece on the right picture is from behind the back plate on the drivers seat, and have never been exposed for ligth. I have also checked the backside of different other interior pieces and they all have the same color as the small piece and the door cover cover.

            So if any other out there have the color code XA, this blue color seams to be rare and it's almost impossible to find interior with correct color.

            Do anyone have any experience in painting vinyl? Is it possible, and will it look good?
            Attached Files
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            Gunnar S - 58 Thunderbird
            http://squarebirds.org/users/gunnar/...bird/index.htm
            http://www.tbirdregistry.com/viewdat...tryNumber=5569

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            • tbird430
              Super-Experienced
              • Jun 18 2007
              • 2648

              #7
              Originally posted by rannugno
              The interior color code XA (blue, blue tweed and white) and XE (blue and white) do not use the same blue color tone. I asked a lot of people (suppliers) regarding this before i ordered and they all meant it was the same. As you can see on the pictures bellow, the blu tone is not the same. The piece on the right picture is from behind the back plate on the drivers seat, and have never been exposed for ligth. I have also checked the backside of different other interior pieces and they all have the same color as the small piece and the door cover cover.

              So if any other out there have the color code XA, this blue color seams to be rare and it's almost impossible to find interior with correct color.

              Do anyone have any experience in painting vinyl? Is it possible, and will it look good?
              You nailed it!!

              My parents '58 Bird had that rare (XA) blue/tweed seat option. They ordered everything for a (XE) blue/white vinyl '58 because the original tweed material was WAY TOO expensive to go back with at that time.

              They were a little diasappointed at 1st in the "new blue" color difference, but since they were having to get EVERYTHING they kept it all for their car.

              But your right, there is a lighter shade of blue used in '58.

              -Jon in TX.
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              VTCI Member#6287.

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              • Anders
                Super-Experienced
                • Jan 19 2008
                • 2213

                #8
                Colors on these old fellas is a tricky matter. I belewe to be lucky as I work at Volvo Design Dept, where the Colour & Material group is a part of us. They are the ones who deals with all our exterior colors, Interior colors, wood, alu decor, plastic color & grain etc, etc. Not only that, while we where owned by Ford, we also have "direct-contact" with there color & material dept. We have the luxury to be treated with booth priority and get the "right guy" on the issue.
                But that didn´t help me a bit when I asked about some real sample, reciept or similar for my exterior color Grenadier Red. They didn´t have a single sample left from those days. And nobody old enough to remember anything that could help me either. Neither could our own paintshop sort the paint out. Oh yes, there we have the chips. But I pretty fast found out that different manufacturers succeded different in finding the right spec on there chips. To find out the Original Ford color was not possible. Not to mension the metallic a such, as it was called "Poly" at the time. If you would find the same flakes in todays paint, It would be pure luck. But the problem is that no-one can realy be sure how it actually looked in 1958.

                Now, interior colors. There we go again. I did exactly as Gunnar and cut a piece inside the back of my seat to have a covered sample. One of many problems is that I have about 5 different red tones in my interior. Different material degrade different to the UV light. And red is about the most sensitive of course. However, I checked ALL ( I will go leather now ) samples and charts again to find the right red color. I even get in contact with one of our two interior material suppliers to get them help me. The leather industry is very advanced these days, and they could actually dye in the right color, but it would cost quite a lot, and not only that, I needed to buy at least 5 hides, and would need to accept the quality they came in ( class 1, 2,and 3 instead of only bying the class 1 ), as I otherwise would need to buy way more hides. I ended up with a red color that is 2-3 % darker than the ( my piece ) original vinyl (I don´t trust the vendors colors to be totally accurate either. I have seen to many different tones. That don´t say they are bad. Just not 100% right. ), but as I will go for a all red interior without the white inserts in the seats and the door, the slightly darker red will look brighter when you have that much of one color.
                So what do I try to say here? Seeking for the 100% original color is nearly impossible. Get it as close as you can. That will most probably look very good anyway.

                Now I only have to scan my leather so I can order some paint for the vinyl foiled metal interior parts....
                Not sure how to get that going, as we have very little, if any, experiance of painting vinyl. Our paint shop guys looked worried... ( We don´t have "Vinyl prep" or similar in Sweden, and to order spray cans from US is not possible anymore. Flight rules and stuff.. )
                Last edited by Anders; March 20, 2012, 06:02 PM.
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                • tmjsong1aolcom
                  Experienced
                  • Mar 31 2004
                  • 329

                  #9
                  I will chime in here about what Ford did and did not do.

                  Only about blue for now. The only difference in a production car with the blue/blue highland tweed and blue/white vinyl was the center bolsters.

                  The vinyl used for both seats and door panels was identical.

                  The pic of the supposed original vinyl material placed on a set of reproduction door panels is not Ford original grain. Nope Not. Therefore the color is whatever some used to redo the interior in the past.

                  These old birds have been monkeyed with in their long lives to the point that many feel that what is currently in their bird was original. Most are not original in more ways than one can count.

                  If you want a lighter shade of blue that is your choice and have fun with it.

                  I do have original swatches of the 58 materials in a show room book but am currently in Yap and do not have access to send pics. Can do when I get home if desired.

                  Please note that the reproduction vinyl being used on the interiors is very thin compared to what Ford originally used. I redid a 58 and if I had figured it out before the end I would have gotten a much better grade of vinyl and my guess the grain would be much closer to the original.

                  I do have 58 with red and white vinyl interior where the rear seat is still all orignal. Shows that the front seat centers and part of the side vinyl were replaced at some point in the life of the bird.

                  Good Luck
                  Fuz
                  58's&64's
                  Sun Prairie, Wi
                  tmjsong1@aol.com

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                  • rannugno
                    Apprentice
                    • Aug 22 2011
                    • 81

                    #10
                    Fuz, thanks a lot for your replay and input.

                    But I'm still near 100% sure that this "light blue" is original. The interior have never been repainted before. I've checked behind panels, parts of panel covered by other panels, under the dash and several other places. All these places have the same light blue color. But the seat covers have been changed before, and do also have the same light color. So it seems like someone have produced interior with this color earlier.

                    Second, If you read the further down from tbird 430, you can see that his parents had exactly the same experience as me when ordering interior for their XA colored bird.

                    Third, the picture under is found another place in this forum and shows a car with light blue door top cover and new darker panel. This is what my car will looks like if I use the new covers without painting them.

                    So I still believe two different blue shades have existed

                    Regards a confused,
                    Gunnar
                    Attached Files
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                    Gunnar S - 58 Thunderbird
                    http://squarebirds.org/users/gunnar/...bird/index.htm
                    http://www.tbirdregistry.com/viewdat...tryNumber=5569

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                    • tbird430
                      Super-Experienced
                      • Jun 18 2007
                      • 2648

                      #11
                      Originally posted by rannugno
                      Fuz, thanks a lot for your replay and input.

                      But I'm still near 100% sure that this "light blue" is original. The interior have never been repainted before. I've checked behind panels, parts of panel covered by other panels, under the dash and several other places. All these places have the same light blue color. But the seat covers have been changed before, and do also have the same light color. So it seems like someone have produced interior with this color earlier.

                      Second, If you read the further down from tbird 430, you can see that his parents had exactly the same experience as me when ordering interior for their XA colored bird.

                      Third, the picture under is found another place in this forum and shows a car with light blue door top cover and new darker panel. This is what my car will looks like if I use the new covers without painting them.

                      So I still believe two different blue shades have existed

                      Regards a confused,
                      Gunnar
                      I'm with you Gunnar. My parents bought a Bird I was originally looking at to buy YEARS AGO (before I found my 1-owner '60 in 1991).

                      The car was sold new in Abilene, TX in '58. Then sold to a brother-in-law at some point in time, who lives where we live (and the car was bought & sittng still since '79). We bought this Bird off of this family member in Wichita Falls, TX in 1998.

                      This '58 hardtop has the original exterior regatta blue bottom & white top, and had old (like '70's style) solid blue seat covers installed over the factory '58 original cloth/vinyl seat covers- to protect them I guess? Even down inside the rear seat bottom corners, untouched by sunlight, this LIGHTER BLUE sticks out like a sore thumb. Just as bad as that door panel pic above (labeled #8)...
                      Last edited by tbird430; March 22, 2012, 10:19 AM.
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                      • tmjsong1aolcom
                        Experienced
                        • Mar 31 2004
                        • 329

                        #12
                        Anything is possible as Ford did do special orders. I will be home in a few days and start to go thru the info I have. While this will not answer specifics on the 2 birds you have, I can at least try to verify that there might have been 2 shaes of blue vinyl used in the interior.

                        One of theings that can be checked for colro info are the center console and the rear package trays above the back seat. These were all vinyl covered.
                        Check for shades of blue in covered areas and there will small areas for all 3 pieces.

                        Fuz
                        58's&64's
                        Sun Prairie, Wi
                        tmjsong1@aol.com

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                        • rannugno
                          Apprentice
                          • Aug 22 2011
                          • 81

                          #13
                          Fuz, I'm looking forward to hear about your eventually findings regarding this blue color shades. When Ford changed from winterset white to colonial white during summer 58, is it possible they also changed the interior color shade for interior code XA? My car have the first color, winterset white.

                          Regarding checking under and backsides, under the restoration of the interior, almost all pieces inside the coupe was taken out, and I have only found light blue and no sign of darker shade of blue or repainting anywhere. Some of the pieces was rather rusty on the back side, but still light blue
                          Under it's a picture taken of the backsides of interior parts after rust removing and another taken under the dash on drivers side
                          Attached Files
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                          Gunnar S - 58 Thunderbird
                          http://squarebirds.org/users/gunnar/...bird/index.htm
                          http://www.tbirdregistry.com/viewdat...tryNumber=5569

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                          • tmjsong1aolcom
                            Experienced
                            • Mar 31 2004
                            • 329

                            #14
                            Nice Pics

                            Tanx for sending the pics from the interior items. I agree they appear to be original Ford. Did you find and date tags attached to any of the interior metal pieces you removed??

                            Just curious as in viewing the pieces I did not see any date tags. They were month followed by with 58 or 1958. Again don't remember exactly as I am still 4 days from home.

                            Could you post pics of the edges of the package tray that shows the covered areas??

                            Tanx
                            Fuz
                            58's&64's
                            Sun Prairie, Wi.
                            tmjsong1@aol.com

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                            • tmjsong1aolcom
                              Experienced
                              • Mar 31 2004
                              • 329

                              #15
                              Interior

                              Just a couple other ?? Does the center console have a vinyl coating?

                              What is the painted surface for the 2 drops that are in front of the passenger and driver? These are the lower pieces that cover up where your feet go.

                              Tanx
                              Fuz
                              58's&64's
                              Sun Prairie, Wi.
                              tmjsong1@aol.com

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