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Old 08-18-2012, 02:32 PM
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Awesome Gary, thx a ton!
I understand the basic's of a carburetor but that's about it. There's a lot more to them than meets the eye. My wife's step-dad used to teach automotive stuff at a local community college and has volunteered to help me tune the car when I get it all together. I put the new gas tank in yesterday and fixed the float in the tank, it had a crack.

For some reason it won't start today. It fires, but as soon as I let off the key it dies, like the electric is just cut off when I let the key go? I have another starter solenoid from the old car - I think I'll replace that real quick. If that isn't it I'll crack my manual and start through the trouble shooting exercises.

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Old 08-18-2012, 06:58 PM
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Gary sent me some pix to post for you. The first one is Choke operation for a 4100 carb. The second one is a Choke Housing Blockoff Cap- Brass 3-8 In 18 NPT-18. The third one is a 4100 Choke Mechanism. The last one is a pic of a '59 Tbird 352 engine bay with the chrome dress up kit in place.

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For some reason it won't start today. It fires, but as soon as I let off the key it dies, like the electric is just cut off when I let the key go? I have another starter solenoid from the old car - I think I'll replace that real quick. If that isn't it I'll crack my manual and start through the trouble shooting exercises.

regards, Dave J
That sound like your resistor system in 'crook' as we say in NZ.

In mosts sytems involving a ballast-resistor (or similar, like the resistor wire such as many Thunderbird have) the resistor is by passed when the motor is cranking over and the ignition key is twisted right over, this give a full 12 volts to the coil.

However once the motor burst into life and you release the key the ignition system gets its (reduced) electrical current through the resistor.


So if there is a problem with the resistor or it's wiring the motor wil then die at that stage.

It might be worth checking this before you rush into swapping solenoids over etc.
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The last one is a pic of a '59 Tbird 352 engine bay with the chrome dress up kit in place.
Thanx Ray!

Actually, the dress-up photo is to show the heat source tube for the choke. Best I have for an FE.

The block-off cap is to be used if one goes to an electric choke and needs to block the resultant vacuum leak.
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Old 08-19-2012, 11:01 AM
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Thx everybody, I appreciate the explanation and help.
So here's a little further explanation on the electrical. When I put 1967 390 in the car I also used the alternator. I changed out the voltage regulator too and wired it according to an article about a guy who did the same on a 67 ford falcon. When I first tried starting the car it did the same thing it's doing now (just fired and then died as soon as I let off the key). I saw another wiring diagram on line that showed a wire running from the (I) ignition side of the solenoid to the coil +. As soon as I added that wire it fired right up and ran fine. So, with that, it seems kind of strange that the same thing is happening again just a day later. Here's the schematic from FordForums web site, it's the diagram just below the picture of the alternator, it's labeled "group 22".
http://www.fordforums.com/f644/66-t-bird-help-160131/

Scumdog, where would the resistor be? Is it in the voltage regulator?

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A quick update for anyone still reading. My resistor is "in crook". Those New Zealand boys know their stuff!

I went through the manual and did some of the troubleshooting. As Scumdog suggested the resistor is a complete "open". Manual says it should read 1.3 - 1.4 ohms.
Naturally they suggest replacing it. I'm gonna find one and try this asap. If it burns out (or whatever) again then I'll have to go from there.

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A quick update for anyone still reading. My resistor is "in crook". Those New Zealand boys know their stuff!

I went through the manual and did some of the troubleshooting. As Scumdog suggested the resistor is a complete "open". Manual says it should read 1.3 - 1.4 ohms.
Naturally they suggest replacing it. I'm gonna find one and try this asap. If it burns out (or whatever) again then I'll have to go from there.

thx, dave J
Oops, sorry Dave, I put you crook - it should by "is crook" - my typo mistake.

In NZ anything not well or not correct can be described as 'crook' i.e. He's crook from drinking too many bourbons' or 'Daves resistor is crook' etc.

But glad you've found your problem, finger crossed it's one of those 'cheap fixes' you get from time-to-time - as opposed to any fix costing more than $10!!
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Old 08-20-2012, 11:40 PM
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Thx again Tom!
She isn't "crook" anymore, I put in the new resistor and she fired right up. I have some cheap straight flow exhaust on it that are old and rusted and it really rumbled the neighborhood. A 6 year neighbor kid road his bike by, stopped, and said, "fine runner". Made me smile.
If you like hunting, fishing, and Harleys you'd love it here in Northern New Mexico. It's pretty popular on all accounts. I see a herd of elk almost every morning on my way to work.
I imagine NZ is amazing though, always wanted to check it out.

Alrighty then. I gotta put the brakes back on, do some tuning, and I'll be close to finally going for a spin. Can't wait to run it through all 4 gears! Here's a recent picture without the hood on. Pie crust cheater slicks, a BB ford, and a 4 speed - life is good.
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Ey yi yi, Well, I went home today and tried to start it up, but it acts like the battery is completely dead. I checked the head lights and they come on. So I put the volt meter on the battery and it shows 12.8 volts. Guess it's time to (once again) start troubleshooting per the manual.
I'm starting to think something is crook in my wiring.
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