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Old 04-21-2015, 05:11 PM
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Getting close to getting the old Bird painted. My contract is Matrix base with 5 coats of PPG clear. Now they are recommending a single stage paint job instead. Showed me a car with single stage and it looked good, but I don't want to be out there polishing and buffing to keep it up.
Since I know there are a lot of white Birds out there, and mine will be Corinthian White, what are your guys thoughts?
I spent a few hours on the internet comparing opinions and they are all over the place.
Thought I would ask here also and see what your guys input is.
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Old 04-21-2015, 06:30 PM
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When I painted my '59 I used PPG single stage. It will probably give you a finish that's closer to the factory finish but it certainly won't pop like using multiple coats of clear.

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Old 04-21-2015, 09:31 PM
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Five coats of clear would be way to thick. Base coat clear coat is the way to go. With a clear coated car you still need to wax 4 times a year, but it takes about a 10th of the time as single stage.
We paint about 500 cars a year from completes to spot paint, we don't have come backs or redo's.
Five coats of clear would really be a problem on your door deck and hood edges.
We really do high end and run of the mill cars to flat out award winners for paint. But really the way a paint job looks is all in the prep of the car before the paint.
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Clear coat is the way to go. I just had mine done that way. I had my friend's Galaxie done with single stage ($2000 budget) and it looks good, but nothing like mine ($16,000 budget). It took 1.5 gallons color (Wimbledon White) @ $200/gal and 2 gallons of clear @ $363/gal, plus all the activators, reducers, etc.

This was after several coats of two-part high build polyester primer on bare metal, block sand for weeks, additional primer as needed, sealer. Then 2 coats of color and 3 coats of clear. He laid it on thick. After a good month of cure, wet sand by hand with 2000 grit then polish with a dual action machine. Figure 400 hours labor.

According to my paint guy who I trust, there are five grades of clear. After the hundreds of hours of block sanding he only goes with the finest quality clear. Cheaper grades will last five years, but the highest grade will outlast the car.
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Ford simply shoots a 'dusting' of base, which looks real bad. Then they shoot three clear coats over the base and bake at 250F.

Look at a modern Ford. The paint has no orange peel and needs no wet sanding. My buddy who loves european brands was bragging about their quality. We happen to be riding together in a huge parking lot where a new Mustang was parked next to a new Mercedes. The sun was high and the weather was clear. It was a nice day.

We both got out and looked at the paint on both cars, paying close attention to details and highlights. By far, the Mustang paint looked more beautiful and it probably cost less money.

All my buddy could say was, 'Ford sure improved their paint.' Yes, the modern paint process across all Ford car and truck lines is top notch. Ford also uses a water-borne primer to save money (on thinners) and to help the environment. This process requires much tighter temp/humidity control. Remember, rain or shine, summer or winter, Ford is painting every day at a rate of 60 cars per hour on each assembly line and during two shifts. Ford must create and regulate their own painting environment, then they filter the overspray and incinerate the fumes before releasing into the atmosphere.

I know that too much paint is far worse than not enough. This is one instance where more is not better.
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Thanks to those that replied. I think we are all on the same page here, but I value the experience and opinions of members on this site. I did go to the shop today and told them I want 2 stage (base coat and clear coat). I'll be watching them closely as they get ready to paint the car.
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