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Old 04-16-2012, 07:33 PM
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what about the ignition switch?
If the coil is getting a supply of electricity while the motor is cranking over I doubt that would be the problem.

So, try this:
What happens when you pull the No1 spark-plug, hook it back up to the plug lead (and make sure it is well earthed) then crank the motor over? any spark at the plug?

And while you've got the plug out, screw-up a wad of paper, about the same diameter as the threaded part of the spark-plug, push it into the spark-plug hole on the cylinder head (but not TOO hard!) and crank 'er over.

Does the wad of paper get blown out just as the plug (hopefully!) sparks?

And does the wad getting blown out coincide with the timing mark on the bottom pulley??

Obviously you'll really need a helper for most of the above.
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The ignition switch would be something to check after you check the points and condenser.

How long has this been sitting or has it been running fine and this just happened?
it just happened, the car had been running for the past 3wks that ive owned it. I did happen to convert to a 3g alternator last week, it ran and charged fine.
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Congratulations on a successful conversion. So, we know it will work after you over this little bump. That is good.

I suppose you have checked all the wiring to ensure nothing has come loose. If so, let's go back to the points/condenser, dizzy plate and shaft. Any luck with those?

Oh, 1-wire or 3 wire and did you use a kit or did someone help you with it. New 3G or used?
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no luck with the points and condenser, i had an extra set and tried them with no luck. I need to still do like scumdog suggested and check the number 1 for spark and compression. All along i had been looking at #5 for spark

As for the alternator i used a 3 wire 3g alternator used from a 98 mustang. I did the majority of my homework for the swap but had some experienced help from a member here on the site.

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No spark to #1 after using 2 different grounds,but thankfully the paper towel was blown out! Where does that leave me? up ****s creek? Hopefully not, i plan to purchase new plugs, wires, ignition switch and pertronix ignitor. Would this help?
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It would seem odd that all the wires went bad enough that it wouldn't start.

With the dizzy cap off do the points spark and does it look like the shaft is spinning OK?

Other than the new alternator, anything else change or happen? Hard speed bump, any funny noise while it was running?

I don't think it is the ignition switch but try to start it with the key on and then jumper the starter solenoid. Worth a shot.
Is there a coil wire going from the solenoid to the coil? Maybe it came off.
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Jim, you may be on to something here.

When you connected the starter solenoid wires, did you put only the starter wire on the starter side and ALL the rest on the battery side?

Does your solenoid have one or two small posts?

Did you watch the rotor go around with the distributor cap off? And when your crank timing marks are at TDC, is the rotor pointing at #1 (or #6) spark plug tower? Your distributor cap should have a "1" right on top.
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Yes, starter is seperate from battery side.

Solenoid has 2 posts.

And ive been trying to figure this out solo without a helper, so i havent been able to watch the rotor or points spark
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What are the wires on the posts connected to and which post goes where - the other End of where the wire is connected?

Is one not there that was?

Does your Gen/Alt light come on with the key on?
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Alfred with all respect, after 20 posts we still don't know if the distributor is turning. If it isn't, you should NOT have a spark.

Either get a buddy or a remote start button. These engines are fifty years old and anything could go wrong. Let's prove the mechanical functions before advancing to the electrical portion.

And please, we are trying to help; read my questions a few times and answer them in detail. I never asked if the starter motor was connected to the battery side of your starter solenoid.

Pictures help all of us, too. I invite you to send them to my personal mail address (simplyconnected@aol.com). We can only go by the detail you tell us, which makes troubleshooting difficult from behind this computer. Let's troubleshoot from square one and go through the steps in an organized fashion. I do not throw parts or money at a problem unless it is proved to need them. - Dave
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