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Old 10-29-2014, 12:15 AM
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I bought the insulation kit (it is the White material) from Mac's along with there Headliner. I was thinking of putting a layer of this foil insulation up first. Just wanted to make sure I wont be making a mistake before I start gluing.. Thanks Eric
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Old 10-29-2014, 12:23 PM
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When I replaced my headliner I used 2 extra layers of poly batting. It looked like your white material. Mine did have about 95% of the original brown Jute still in place so I didn't glue the poly material. I just let the headliner bows hold it up since it is so light. Really can't tell it's there except it does block quite a bit more heat.

IMHO the silver insulation is a super idea - wish I had used it.

Not sure how the glue will work with the silver insulation though. I recently used the same stuff on an interior project. Used it as under-layment for carpet. I taped it together in places. Had to wait a few weeks for the carpet. When I was installing the carpet later I noticed the tape had pulled the silver foil coating away in a few places so wondering if the glue might do the same?

Could be a non issue since it will be glued up there and not moved again but just FYI that the foil coating is not that strong.

Buy a can or two of the rust converter paint. Apparently the roof area was left bare metal during assembly. I brushed and sanded the bare areas then painted - especially up in the front. Had to use a small flexible brush to get in the holes at the back - you won't be able to get it all but good enough.

On the headliner - I tried 3-4 electric staplers with no luck. Those headliner strips are just heavy paper but I was able to re-use mine after borrowing a proper air powered upholstery stapler. The guy even threw in the staples - no idea what size they were.



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Old 10-29-2014, 04:36 PM
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No, no, noooooooooo......

The reason vinyl has holes is to let moisture escape. Yep, condensation. Look at your bare roof. This is the most protected area in the entire car, yet there are signs of rust! Why? Because when cold hits moist warm, condensation forms on the warm side.

A/C and cold water pipes sweat terribly. This isn't as extreme but it makes a difference in winter, when it's colder outside and you turn on the heater. BTW, your body releases copious amounts of water. I see steam coming off football players' shoulders while they're sitting on the bench in winter.

Foil is a moisture BARRIER. It traps moisture, then it promotes rust. I've seen bows that rusted through the channel loops.

Just remember that everything absorbs moisture, yes even ceramic floor tiles. The rate at which they give up moisture is more important than the rate at which they absorb it.

A loose polyester material is the best insulation for your headliner. Originally, Ford used that brown jute-type fiber but it worked well because it breathed. Before we had pin-hole vinyl, Ford used cloth, for the same reasons.

If you're looking for good poly-fill, check out Jo-Ann Fabrics or other craft stores. Sometimes you can find coupons for 50% off online. - Dave
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I'm with Dave on this one....I may not be an expert on our tbirds but I thought of this when I installed my headliner last spring and it only made sense when you think about how our cars were built. I was going to go with a custom headliner that didn't have holes and also install sound deadening (which was backed with foil) but went against it because it wouldn't let my roof breathe.

I was looking at Eric's photos and the jute/insulation sticks rather well. When I cleaned and restored my top it took me forever to remove the original material under the my thoughts were to repeat the process. My experience in mating foil/aluminum is that it will peel at even a hint of moisture. It's not really worth having to redo the job later.

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Btw...I removed the rails that the headliner was stapled to so that I could replace the "material" holding it on. No one sells this so I took old engine belts that shops had lying around and gorilla glued them in place.

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