This will take you to the main site where there is history, technical information and other information on these cars.
This takes you back to the main page of the forums.
This is the control panel to change your password, information and preferences on this message board.
Click here if your lost your password or need to register on this message board. You must be a registered user to post. Registration is free.
Search this board for information you need.
Click here to buy cool Squarebirds mechandise.
Click here to support Squarebirds.org. For $20 annually receive 20mBytes webspace, a Squarebirds e-mail address and member's icon on the message board.
  #1  
Old 01-27-2008, 01:24 PM
YellowRose's Avatar
YellowRose YellowRose is offline
Super-Experienced and a HELLOFA nice guy
 
Join Date: Jan 21 2008
Posts: 12,217
YellowRose is on a distinguished road
Default Update on fixing the sloppy '59 shifting

Rich and I worked on fixing the sloppy shifting problems inherent in an old Bird due to wear and tear. It is more like, Rich worked, while I cleaned excess paint off the chrome horn ring someone had screwed up while painting it in the past, and handing him tools when he needed them...

The steering wheel assembly came off easily enough. Then it was into it to take out the components, being veryyyy careful not to drop the screws down inside the steering column! We had the printed out instructions from the Squarebird Technical section to go by, but Rich is not a newbie at pulling steering gear or working on cars like this. He cut his teeth on cars of this era when he first started working as a mechanic.

It took him several hours to complete, but he got the new detent plate, new shift lever, and bell housing cowl in place and all back together again. It works great! The sloppiness is gone. The potential problem of it slipping out of park should be gone. The new detent plate is better then the original one. Mine was pretty well worn and grooved heavily. The rubber grommet on the end of the shift lever was GONE! The "key" end of the shift lever was pretty badly worn off also. The bell housing cowl piece where the shift lever goes into was pretty worn also. It appears that we will not have to change out the bushings at the transmission end.

If you have this problem and you can do this yourself, or have a good mechanic who can, get the parts and do it! The bell housing collar was the most expensive thing. But it will probably need to be replaced also. It is all tight and right now! Ray ~ Yellow Bird.

Last edited by YellowRose : 01-27-2008 at 01:27 PM. Reason: Typo's
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 01-27-2008, 01:42 PM
Dan Leavens's Avatar
Dan Leavens Dan Leavens is offline
Moderator / Administrator
 
Join Date: Oct 4 2006
Posts: 4,741
Dan Leavens is on a distinguished road
Cool

Ray that's great that you got the detent plate installed along with other parts. Now you don't have to worry about having the car running, closing the door and the bird moving. The other thing is that starting it up, is a lot easier not having to hold the shift lever to activate and missing from time to time.
Now it's good for another 50 years.

Dano Calgary,Alberta Canada




Quote:
Originally Posted by YellowRose View Post
Rich and I worked on fixing the sloppy shifting problems inherent in an old Bird due to wear and tear. It is more like, Rich worked, while I cleaned excess paint off the chrome horn ring someone had screwed up while painting it in the past, and handing him tools when he needed them...

The steering wheel assembly came off easily enough. Then it was into it to take out the components, being veryyyy careful not to drop the screws down inside the steering column! We had the printed out instructions from the Squarebird Technical section to go by, but Rich is not a newbie at pulling steering gear or working on cars like this. He cut his teeth on cars of this era when he first started working as a mechanic.

It took him several hours to complete, but he got the new detent plate, new shift lever, and bell housing cowl in place and all back together again. It works great! The sloppiness is gone. The potential problem of it slipping out of park should be gone. The new detent plate is better then the original one. Mine was pretty well worn and grooved heavily. The rubber grommet on the end of the shift lever was GONE! The "key" end of the shift lever was pretty badly worn off also. The bell housing cowl piece where the shift lever goes into was pretty worn also. It appears that we will not have to change out the bushings at the transmission end.

If you have this problem and you can do this yourself, or have a good mechanic who can, get the parts and do it! The bell housing collar was the most expensive thing. But it will probably need to be replaced also. It is all tight and right now! Ray ~ Yellow Bird.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01-27-2008, 02:09 PM
YellowRose's Avatar
YellowRose YellowRose is offline
Super-Experienced and a HELLOFA nice guy
 
Join Date: Jan 21 2008
Posts: 12,217
YellowRose is on a distinguished road
Default Update on Fixing the Sloppy '59 Shifting

Thanks, Dan! Yes, that was one of the first things I noticed when I cranked it over. No pulling the shift lever towards you to get it to start! It looked like to me that the slot for parking is a bit narrower on the new detent plate. I think Alexander Sosiak did a better and great job in replicating the old one. I have read the stories about how the Ford engineers found out pretty quickly about their detent plate engineering and their attempts to improve it. Ray ~ "Yellow Rose"
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01-27-2008, 04:14 PM
FeFranco FeFranco is offline
Experienced
 
Join Date: Jan 13 2007
Posts: 232
FeFranco
Default

Ray,
Glad to hear that you have successfully replaced your detent plate. That is not a job for the meek, but, very rewarding for the results and peace of mind. My question, though, is what do you mean that "the sloppiness is gone". With the new detent plate, lever, bell and grommet replaced, I still have a lot of wiggle when I place it into gear. Does your shift lever go solidly/firmly into gear when you put it into N or D1, or do you have to FEEL it go into gear? Does anybody else have any suggestions?
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 01-27-2008, 05:45 PM
bcomo bcomo is offline
Super-Experienced
 
Join Date: Sep 23 2005
Posts: 1,224
bcomo is on a distinguished road
Default

FeFranco:

I went through this too. New detent fixes park solid.

But, you need to check, and probably replace the rubber bushing where the shift rod goes to the transmission shift lever. That needs to be a tight fit. You can get the bushing from Bird Nest.

Any other slop is caused from within the shift lever in the engine compartment, above the gear box, in the steering column. That is not possible to fix without removing the entire steering column and fabricating a replacement -- of what I'm not sure.
__________________
Bart
1960 Hard Top/430
Thunderbird Registry Number 1231
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 01-27-2008, 06:05 PM
YellowRose's Avatar
YellowRose YellowRose is offline
Super-Experienced and a HELLOFA nice guy
 
Join Date: Jan 21 2008
Posts: 12,217
YellowRose is on a distinguished road
Default Update on Fixing the Sloppy '59 Shifting

Hi Frank,

Thanks for the information on Stan and his business. I will contact them and see what he has to say.

Regarding replacing the detent plate, et all, when I shift from Park to N, or any of the Drive positions the gear shift now snaps or clicks into place and stays there. Before, you could hardly tell which position you just moved the lever into! It was loosey-goosey but no longer. It smartly locks into the position you move it to until you move it again into a new position and snaps and locks into that position. I guess that is the best way to describe it.

Bart has given you the same recommendation he gave me. To check things out at the transmission level. We will probably do that also the first time we have it up on a rack, but it looks like mine is working the way it used to when it came off the line. Ray ~ Yellow Rose
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-23-2009, 04:21 PM
TOM1960SQUAREBIRD's Avatar
TOM1960SQUAREBIRD TOM1960SQUAREBIRD is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: Nov 28 2009
Posts: 8
TOM1960SQUAREBIRD is on a distinguished road
Default sloppy linkage

Hi Guys am i to believe that the detent plate will fix loose colun shifter, or just the lock park position and start auto without pullin northward on handle, c-o-m in my newly acquired bird has both problems also is this a 3 speed trans or 2 it only seem to shift once maybe because linkage is to loose .. iam just a rookie so be nice
thanks guys
Tom
__________________
Tom Splane
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-24-2009, 01:19 AM
jldevlin jldevlin is offline
Apprentice
 
Join Date: Apr 11 2009
Posts: 80
jldevlin is on a distinguished road
Default sloppy Shift

good Day Tom

I had a very sloppy shift in my 59, it would pop out of park if I was not careful and pulling down hard on the shifter I could get it into low gear but VERY tough pulling it back into other gears once I did that, for me I purchased a new shift handle, had to drill out the retainer pin and once I got the old one out I had to wiggle and push the new one into position and once you hit the sweet spot it is in, I was very surprised when I found my shifter now moved smooth and easy and solid into park, I looked at my old handle and saw how round and warn the end of the shifter was, thats the area that sits in the detent plate, it has been perfect since that day.

John

Last edited by jldevlin : 12-24-2009 at 08:56 PM.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:50 AM.

Driving, racing or working on cars can be hazardous. The procedures and advice on this website including the message board are opinion only. Squarebirds.org and its webmasters and contributors do not guarantee the correctness of the advice and procedures. The Squarebirds.org and its webmasters assume no liability for any damage, fines, punishment, injury or death resulting from following these procedures or advice. If you do not have the skills or tools to repair your car, please consult a professional. By using this site you agree to hold harmless the Squarebirds.org, its authors and its webmasters from any resulting claim and costs that may occur from using the information found on this site.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Any submissions to this site and any post on this site becomes property of Squarebirds.org . The webmasters reserve the right to edit and modify any submissions to this site. All material on this is site is copyrighted by the Squarebirds.org. Reproduction by any means other than for personal use is strictly prohibited. Permission to use material on this site can be obtained by contacting the webmasters. Copyright 2002-2016 by Squarebirds.org.