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  • whpaul
    Experienced
    • Oct 17 2009
    • 100

    Details from the underbody

    Hello TBird friends,

    may be someone out there can give the following information?

    While I work on the underbody I fond at four positions the plates as you see at the attached picture.
    When I disconnected the screw and plate I found four oval holes.

    I think that there is something missing and that what I found is only another bad handcraft solution.

    Can someone tell me how that detail should look like?

    Thanks for reply

    whpaul
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    W.H.Paul
    with a friendly hello from good old Europe.
  • GTE427
    Super-Experienced
    • Oct 9 2007
    • 602

    #2
    This looks like an anchor stud, plate and bolt that was used for seat belts at that point in time. Thought I wouldn't expect to see a slot when this is removed, most likely just a hole.

    I'm not sure where this is positioned looking at the pictures, you be the judge.
    Ken
    1959 J Convertible
    1960 J Hardtop

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    • Dan Leavens
      Moderator / Administrator


      • Oct 4 2006
      • 6377

      #3
      Wolfgang as Ken mentioned, it is difficult to view from the picture angle. What part of the underside is the picture taken?? Front, middle or back?? It almost looks like a cradle strap similar to the European cars and like my wife's MGB. Please let us know.
      Dano Calgary,Alberta Canada
      Thunderbird Registry
      58HT #33317
      60 HT (Sold )

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      • whpaul
        Experienced
        • Oct 17 2009
        • 100

        #4
        Underbody detail

        Hello Dan,
        Hello Ken,

        here is hopefully a better picture!

        whpaul
        Attached Files
        W.H.Paul
        with a friendly hello from good old Europe.

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        • Dan Leavens
          Moderator / Administrator


          • Oct 4 2006
          • 6377

          #5
          Wolfgang I am sorry, as I still at a loss but I am not up to speed on the 61-63.. Dave ( Simplyconnected ) can you shed any light on this subject??
          Dano Calgary,Alberta Canada
          Thunderbird Registry
          58HT #33317
          60 HT (Sold )

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          • simplyconnected
            Administrator
            • May 26 2009
            • 8787

            #6
            These are not factory holes. They were made with a holesaw at least one inch in diameter. GTE427 is on the right track, but a factory seat belt bolt is 1/2", and it would swim in this hole. If belts were installed, why would anyone remove them?

            The closest I can guess is this:
            Wolfgang's car was restored in the past, maybe because it was raced. (His transmission was brazed and re-installed.) The body was probably mounted on a fixture which required large anchor holes at the lowest points of the floor pans. After completion, they simply plugged the holes with small screws and large washers.

            These holes run along his rocker panels at the farthest outboard, and lowest point of the floorpan. Perfect for mounting an angle iron cross piece to lift and manipulate the body. That's my guess. - Dave
            Member, Sons of the American Revolution

            CLICK HERE to see my custom hydraulic roller 390 FE build.

            "We've got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?"
            --Lee Iacocca

            From: Royal Oak, Michigan

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            • Alan H. Tast, AIA
              Experienced
              • Jan 5 2008
              • 216

              #7
              Front floor pans did have a hole in the location shown in the photos, exact size I'd have to measure but believe it was around 3/4", possibly 1"? This allowed primer to drain from inside the body when it was removed from the primer dunk tank. A metal plug with a retaining tab was then installed, with the tab knocked flat to lock the plug in place, then sealed shut before painting was done. What I'm seeing is someone's attempt to fill the factory hole without use of the original plug.
              Alan H. Tast AIA, LEED AP BD+C
              Technical Director/Past President, Vintage Thunderbird Club Int'l.
              Author, "Thunderbird 1955-1966" & "Thunderbird 50 Years"

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              • simplyconnected
                Administrator
                • May 26 2009
                • 8787

                #8
                Originally posted by Alan H. Tast, AIA
                What I'm seeing is someone's attempt to fill the factory hole without use of the original plug.
                What I'm seeing is a ragged ROUND hole that is folded over from a saw punching through. Die holes are much cleaner, and they don't go through more than one layer of metal.



                Notice the locations of these mounting holes. (This happens to be a Camaro/Firebird.) That's how rotisseries mount. Look familiar? - Dave
                Member, Sons of the American Revolution

                CLICK HERE to see my custom hydraulic roller 390 FE build.

                "We've got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?"
                --Lee Iacocca

                From: Royal Oak, Michigan

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                • Dan Leavens
                  Moderator / Administrator


                  • Oct 4 2006
                  • 6377

                  #9
                  Dave / Alan: Thanks for your explanations.
                  Dano Calgary,Alberta Canada
                  Thunderbird Registry
                  58HT #33317
                  60 HT (Sold )

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                  • whpaul
                    Experienced
                    • Oct 17 2009
                    • 100

                    #10
                    Details from the underbody..........

                    Hello,

                    thank you for your input, I think it is the best to close that holes by welding in round plates, welding we do now anywhere!


                    whpaul
                    W.H.Paul
                    with a friendly hello from good old Europe.

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