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  • simplyconnected
    Administrator
    • May 26 2009
    • 8778

    #46
    Determine if the cable is opening/closing the appropriate doors. Sometimes these doors rust, inhibiting full operation (it also squeaks when going through the range of motion). One of mine had a rubber 'seal' that fell apart from age so I replaced it with soft leather.

    These cables have adjustment 'takeups' for fine tuning.

    BTW, did you pull your tumbler out of the defective key switch?
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    • yellow98cobra
      Experienced
      • May 28 2012
      • 308

      #47
      Originally posted by simplyconnected

      BTW, did you pull your tumbler out of the defective key switch?
      I tought I would wait until I have the new switch to put it in before I took it out. I did put my key in it and turned it to the right and I see the Pin in the oval hole that needs to be pushed, It does not appear to be brass. Is there a chance the tumbler is bad and that is why it wont turn to the left?


      I was just reading the Manual and it explains adjusting the control levers. My garage has reached the its to hot to work in stage for today. I will look at it in the morning. I am also going to pull the whole center tunnel and see what kind of mess the mouse has left for me ( I found mouse droppings when I removed the upper piece).
      Yellow98Cobra
      1960 Thunderbird HT
      Data plt# 63A Z 56 15 H 3 4
      There are 4 pictures of her here, plus a couple of my namesake.
      http://squarebirds.org/yellow98cobra/resized/

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      • simplyconnected
        Administrator
        • May 26 2009
        • 8778

        #48
        Originally posted by yellow98cobra
        ...Is there a chance the tumbler is bad and that is why it wont turn to the left?..
        When you pull the tumbler out, you can then use a large flat blade screwdriver to turn the switch.

        Soooo... you can buy either the switch, tumbler, or both. Under the stainless cover (on the tumbler) are the brass pins. A locksmith can make any key fit your tumbler by changing these five pin lengths. - Dave
        Member, Sons of the American Revolution

        CLICK HERE to see my custom hydraulic roller 390 FE build.

        "We've got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?"
        --Lee Iacocca

        From: Royal Oak, Michigan

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        • yellow98cobra
          Experienced
          • May 28 2012
          • 308

          #49
          I got the new Igintion switch in, it now turns to ACC, with the car running the Temp Gauge, Turn signals & Dash lights work (I by passed the rheostat). The Gas gauge does not work, I dont know why it appeared to read a 1/2 tank before as there was no way there that much gas in it, It ran out of gas after only ideling in the garage for about 10 minutes.
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          Yellow98Cobra
          1960 Thunderbird HT
          Data plt# 63A Z 56 15 H 3 4
          There are 4 pictures of her here, plus a couple of my namesake.
          http://squarebirds.org/yellow98cobra/resized/

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          • jopizz
            Super-Experienced


            • Nov 23 2009
            • 8308

            #50
            The easiest way to check your gauge is to remove the wire from the fuel sender. Your gauge should read empty. Then ground the wire. The gauge should go all the way to full. If that tests out ok then it's either your sender or it's not getting a good ground.

            John
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            • yellow98cobra
              Experienced
              • May 28 2012
              • 308

              #51
              Ok I grounded the wire from the sending unit the gauge worked. I can see and get to the retaining ring holding the sending unit in from the access hole in the trunk. I can not get it to turn I tryed the hammer & screw driver trick it wouldn't budge But did not hit it very hard. All of the tools for removing it are very expensive does anyone have a free or cheap way to loosen the retaining ring. how do I check it for good ground?

              Thanks, Eric
              Yellow98Cobra
              1960 Thunderbird HT
              Data plt# 63A Z 56 15 H 3 4
              There are 4 pictures of her here, plus a couple of my namesake.
              http://squarebirds.org/yellow98cobra/resized/

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              • Guest

                #52
                Hey Eric,
                I would spray it with penetrating oil! There are several on the market, pick up at local auto-parts. Let it sit overnight, then give her a try. Also remember righty tighty, lefty loosey LOL!
                Richard D. Hord

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                • jopizz
                  Super-Experienced


                  • Nov 23 2009
                  • 8308

                  #53
                  After putting some penetrating oil on it you should be able to get a thin screwdriver between the lock ring and the sender. That should help free it up. The lock ring will only loosen in one direction, I think it's counter-clockwise so make sure you are hitting it in the right direction. A screw driver and hammer should work just fine.

                  John
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                  • simplyconnected
                    Administrator
                    • May 26 2009
                    • 8778

                    #54
                    Went over to a buddy's one day, and he was changing gas tanks on his daughter's Escort. He had both tanks on the driveway, trying to get the sending unit out of the old rusty-leaky tank. I immediately picked up a screwdriver and small hammer to help.

                    We both hit that ring on opposite sides at the same time, each at our own cadence. When our 'beats' finally hit together, that ring came flying off. We were both amazed. The new ring went on easily.
                    Member, Sons of the American Revolution

                    CLICK HERE to see my custom hydraulic roller 390 FE build.

                    "We've got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?"
                    --Lee Iacocca

                    From: Royal Oak, Michigan

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                    • yellow98cobra
                      Experienced
                      • May 28 2012
                      • 308

                      #55
                      Got the sending unit out

                      It's no wonder the gauge wasn't working there is no float attahched to it, the inside of the tank looks about as good as the sending unit. I have ordered a new tank, sending unit & straps from Rock Auto $304.00 shipped. They didn't offer the filler neck grommet. So I have ordered it from The Birds Nest.
                      New questions...
                      Does the new tank need to be washed out?
                      Where to I place the floor jack at the rear of the car so I can lift it up high enough for my jack stands?
                      where is the best place for the stands?
                      Do you use ? plumbers tape on the threads for the fuel line?
                      Attached Files
                      Yellow98Cobra
                      1960 Thunderbird HT
                      Data plt# 63A Z 56 15 H 3 4
                      There are 4 pictures of her here, plus a couple of my namesake.
                      http://squarebirds.org/yellow98cobra/resized/

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                      • jopizz
                        Super-Experienced


                        • Nov 23 2009
                        • 8308

                        #56
                        The new tank should be fine without washing it out. It's usually got plastic caps on all the openings so nothing gets in it. I usually jack the car up under the leaf spring bracket behind the rear wheels and put jack stands under the axle. Make sure you chock the front wheels. You shouldn't have to jack the car up to remove and install the gas tank. At least I didn't on mine. When I put my new tank in I was getting a slow leak around the fitting so I used teflon tape and it's been fine since.

                        John
                        John Pizzi - Squarebirds Administrator

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                        https://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm

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                        • simplyconnected
                          Administrator
                          • May 26 2009
                          • 8778

                          #57
                          Originally posted by yellow98cobra
                          ...Does the new tank need to be washed out?
                          Where to I place the floor jack at the rear of the car so I can lift it up high enough for my jack stands?
                          where is the best place for the stands?
                          Do you use ? plumbers tape on the threads for the fuel line?
                          Good and valid questions...
                          * Your new tank will be tin plated inside and out. It will need no further prep.
                          * I like to lift each side from under the axle plate (the one that the shock attaches to). Put your jack stands under the spring perches and give your car a good shake before crawling under.
                          * Your fuel line has a flare fitting, which needs no sealant. If you want, you could put teflon tape on the threads but don't let any get inside the flare seat. Teflon doesn't break down with gasoline and you sure don't need any in your fuel line. BTW, I hope you are running with a fuel filter.

                          Make sure your fuel line connections don't leak. If they do, your carb will get AIR, not fuel. You can use a clear 'test' hose before the fuel pump, just to see what's going on. Then, replace the old fuel hoes with the new fuel hoes.

                          New cars use a 'pad' between the tank and trunk floor. Consider repainting that area and don't forget to give your new tank a good ground. - Dave
                          Member, Sons of the American Revolution

                          CLICK HERE to see my custom hydraulic roller 390 FE build.

                          "We've got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?"
                          --Lee Iacocca

                          From: Royal Oak, Michigan

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                          • yellow98cobra
                            Experienced
                            • May 28 2012
                            • 308

                            #58
                            Yes there is a filter before the carb. I have ordered a new one.
                            How should I attach a ground wire to the tank?
                            The manual does mention a couple of rubber strips on top of the tank.
                            'pad' between the tank and trunk floor what should I use for this?

                            Do mean paint the bottom of the car or the top of the tank Home depot sells the spray rubber coating by the can I was thinking about primer the top of the tank and using the rubber sealant spray on the bottom. I saw pictures of a car with a new tank and it looked good in its natural state.
                            Yellow98Cobra
                            1960 Thunderbird HT
                            Data plt# 63A Z 56 15 H 3 4
                            There are 4 pictures of her here, plus a couple of my namesake.
                            http://squarebirds.org/yellow98cobra/resized/

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                            • jopizz
                              Super-Experienced


                              • Nov 23 2009
                              • 8308

                              #59
                              There's usually undercoating sprayed under the trunk pan. Most times it flakes off. You can reundercoat it or just spray some black paint to prevent rust. The tank doesn't need paint. There were rubber strips on the tank where it meets the trunk pan. I just use some duct tape.

                              John
                              John Pizzi - Squarebirds Administrator

                              Thunderbird Registry #36223
                              jopizz@squarebirds.org 856-779-9695

                              https://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm

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                              • simplyconnected
                                Administrator
                                • May 26 2009
                                • 8778

                                #60
                                CLICK HERE to see Marcelo's fuel tank change. Marcelo did it right, including a good ground wire that he bolted to his sub-frame. This ground wire ensures the heavy paint will not insulate the tank from body ground. - Dave
                                Member, Sons of the American Revolution

                                CLICK HERE to see my custom hydraulic roller 390 FE build.

                                "We've got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?"
                                --Lee Iacocca

                                From: Royal Oak, Michigan

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