This will take you to the main site where there is history, technical information and other information on these cars.
This takes you back to the main page of the forums.
This is the control panel to change your password, information and preferences on this message board.
Click here if your lost your password or need to register on this message board. You must be a registered user to post. Registration is free.
Search this board for information you need.
Click here to buy cool Squarebirds mechandise.
Click here to support Squarebirds.org. For $20 annually receive 20mBytes webspace, a Squarebirds e-mail address and member's icon on the message board.
  #1  
Old 01-13-2018, 10:30 AM
Frango100's Avatar
Frango100 Frango100 is offline
Experienced
 
Join Date: May 2 2016
Posts: 433
Frango100 is on a distinguished road
Default Transmission rebuild kit

My Cruise-O-Matic is not working 100% ok and when i measured the control pressure a while ago it was well below the values mentioned in the manual.
So i´m not in a hurry, but when i have some spare time, i want to lower the transmission and rebuild it with all new seals and plates.
Anyone can recommend a good brand rebuild kit for the Ford MX transmission? I see several brands on e-bay, but no idea which one is good. I don´t see any brand which has the bands in the kit as well, are they normally re-furbished?
__________________
Frank
1958 T-Bird "Trovão Rosa" - "Rose Thunder"
Thunderbird registry #61670
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 01-14-2018, 12:35 AM
simplyconnected's Avatar
simplyconnected simplyconnected is offline
Slow Typist
 
Join Date: May 26 2009
Posts: 7,601
simplyconnected is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frango100 View Post
...i want to lower the transmission and rebuild it with all new seals and plates...
I strongly suggest you contact a good transmission shop. Here's why:

Transmission kits can fit a host of Ford transmissions because they are very similar inside. Most kits do not come with 'steels or fibers'. Bands normally last a very long time unless the transmission was run dry or with a low fluid level. If bands are burned or worn out, our places exchange them for new, much like brake shoes.

Correct seals depend on correct hydraulic oil compatibility or they won't last long. All the old seals eventually leak from heat which hardens and shrinks the seals. So, new seals is a 'must have'.

OEM steels and fibers may be different from aftermarket. Some simply don't work as well as OEM. I looked at mine and decided to put the originals right back in (instead of using the new that I just bought).

My bands were good, too. They have a thin lining that is bonded to the band. Years of use made them 'bed-in'. If they were worn I would have exchanged them for new. But, even new bands will need an adjustment after the 'bed-in' period.

When cleaning your parts, pay close attention to your pumps for wear. If they look good, as most do, put them back together along with the new seals. Kits do not include all the bearings, especially brass sleeve bearings.

Ok, I led you around the barn. Now, realize that transmission shops do this kind of work frequently. They usually have good sources for bands, bearings, steel and fiber packs, gears, etc. If they cannot get parts from central warehouses they will order them. Either way, transmission shops stake their reputation on good work which includes reliable parts. Their experience tells them what parts to avoid and what parts work the best. In addition, new seals are needed but so is a thorough washing, close inspection and proper setup. Bands can be tried and adjusted on the bench using compressed air to actuate them.

Take lots of pictures as you go. - Dave
__________________
My latest project:
CLICK HERE to see my custom hydraulic roller 390 FE build.

"We've got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?"
--Lee Iacocca
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01-14-2018, 07:47 AM
Frango100's Avatar
Frango100 Frango100 is offline
Experienced
 
Join Date: May 2 2016
Posts: 433
Frango100 is on a distinguished road
Default

Thanks for the answer Dave. The problem is that here in Brazil automatic transmissions are not that common yet, so there are also a few transmission shops. I had a problem with my Jeeps automatic transmission and it went to a "reputable" transmission shop. They had to remove the transmission three times and after the last time they mounted the internals wrongly, where after a stator disc started rotating inside the housing and worn away a part of the housing. So i don´t thrust the guys overhere.
Besides that, they won´t have any parts for a 1958 Ford.
I see several kits for the FMX transmission, but none which states MX.
__________________
Frank
1958 T-Bird "Trovão Rosa" - "Rose Thunder"
Thunderbird registry #61670
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01-14-2018, 03:55 PM
bpetska bpetska is offline
Apprentice
 
Join Date: Feb 16 2013
Posts: 46
bpetska is on a distinguished road
Default Transmission Rebuild Kit

I got all parts for my 60 large case com from Fatsco Transmission parts. I sent the large band in and they relined it. You may give them a call and see if they have what you need.
Bill
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 01-14-2018, 05:28 PM
simplyconnected's Avatar
simplyconnected simplyconnected is offline
Slow Typist
 
Join Date: May 26 2009
Posts: 7,601
simplyconnected is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frango100 View Post
...So i don´t thrust the guys overhere.
Besides that, they won´t have any parts for a 1958 Ford...
Cruise-O-Matic transmissions are not common over here, either. Most of the transmission mechanics who know these gear boxes are retired or gone because your transmission is 60 years old.
We have parts but none of the transmission shops have them on the shelf. We schedule rebuild jobs and pre-order 'standard' parts in anticipation. 'Technical' parts (like bands and bearings) must be ordered individually. That's why warehouses, who have all the parts, service transmission shops, who do all the work.

I suggested you contact a good transmission shop.

We hear horror stories from people all over the world with the same complaint. One of our German members paid for a total overhaul but it was proved, they never opened the transmission. So much for 'superior' German mechanics. So, where ever good transmission shops live, you need to contact them. We still have some in the USA but you better hurry. Our guys are looking for retirement, not another transmission job.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bpetska View Post
...You may give them a call and see if they have what you need...
He doesn't know what he needs until the trans is on the bench and disassembled. He is trying to cover all his bases before the teardown but that simply generates a basket full of good parts he can't use (or sell). - Dave
__________________
My latest project:
CLICK HERE to see my custom hydraulic roller 390 FE build.

"We've got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?"
--Lee Iacocca
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 01-15-2018, 02:23 PM
Frango100's Avatar
Frango100 Frango100 is offline
Experienced
 
Join Date: May 2 2016
Posts: 433
Frango100 is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by simplyconnected View Post
He doesn't know what he needs until the trans is on the bench and disassembled. He is trying to cover all his bases before the teardown but that simply generates a basket full of good parts he can't use (or sell). - Dave
It most probably will be the best to tear down the transmission first and see what needs to be replaced. There is most probably some bearing with a problem, since it makes a strange noise in first gear only.
__________________
Frank
1958 T-Bird "Trovão Rosa" - "Rose Thunder"
Thunderbird registry #61670
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 01-15-2018, 09:54 PM
simplyconnected's Avatar
simplyconnected simplyconnected is offline
Slow Typist
 
Join Date: May 26 2009
Posts: 7,601
simplyconnected is on a distinguished road
Default

If this is your first automatic trans teardown, you need a few things:
  • Take lots of pictures as you go.
  • Have an experienced transmission guy help you.
  • Specialty tools are required but they can be home-made (even if you never use them again).
  • I use Loctite Blue on screws, petroleum jelly to keep needle bearings together and Permatex Black to seal pan gaskets.
  • Above all, keep everything clean and in order.

Here's an example of some disassembly tools:





Good luck. - Dave
__________________
My latest project:
CLICK HERE to see my custom hydraulic roller 390 FE build.

"We've got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?"
--Lee Iacocca
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 01-17-2018, 06:54 PM
Frango100's Avatar
Frango100 Frango100 is offline
Experienced
 
Join Date: May 2 2016
Posts: 433
Frango100 is on a distinguished road
Default

Thanks Dave. I did rebuild my jeeps 5-45RFE transmission a few years ago. Indeed had to make some special tools to be able to compress piston springs and remove their snap rings. Very interresting job and after that i finally had an idea how automatic transmissions work.
Working clean is indeed one of the most important things to do to have a long lasting transmission.
__________________
Frank
1958 T-Bird "Trovão Rosa" - "Rose Thunder"
Thunderbird registry #61670
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 04-11-2018, 02:54 PM
Frango100's Avatar
Frango100 Frango100 is offline
Experienced
 
Join Date: May 2 2016
Posts: 433
Frango100 is on a distinguished road
Default Transmission rebuild

So slowly the parts to start my transmission rebuild are coming in. No idea yet what I will find inside, but the master kit is there and two used bands (looking at the pictures in very good state) will be arriving soon as well.
On e-bay a guy was selling quite some loose parts for the midsize case and for a very reasonable price. Since parts here in Brazil do not exist and will become more difficult to find over time in other places, I just bought a pressure regulator for 20 bucks, a valve body for 30 and both bands, the complete governor and all related tubes and connections for 75.
Now I will need to find time to do this job.
And yes, I will take lots of pictures
__________________
Frank
1958 T-Bird "Trovão Rosa" - "Rose Thunder"
Thunderbird registry #61670
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07-14-2018, 09:06 AM
Frango100's Avatar
Frango100 Frango100 is offline
Experienced
 
Join Date: May 2 2016
Posts: 433
Frango100 is on a distinguished road
Default

Just started the transmission tear down last week. Unfortunately i have very little time to work on it, so it will take a long time to finish this project. Taking pictures as many as possible, but cleaning the hands every time is a bit of a fuzz.
So far the only strange thing i encountered was a missing screw on the rear pump housing (the one more to the middle). No idea if it was forgotten during a previous job done on it, or that it came out during operation. No traces (nor damages) found so far, but the internal rotating parts are still in.
Will be continued.
__________________
Frank
1958 T-Bird "Trovão Rosa" - "Rose Thunder"
Thunderbird registry #61670
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:04 AM.

Driving, racing or working on cars can be hazardous. The procedures and advice on this website including the message board are opinion only. Squarebirds.org and its webmasters and contributors do not guarantee the correctness of the advice and procedures. The Squarebirds.org and its webmasters assume no liability for any damage, fines, punishment, injury or death resulting from following these procedures or advice. If you do not have the skills or tools to repair your car, please consult a professional. By using this site you agree to hold harmless the Squarebirds.org, its authors and its webmasters from any resulting claim and costs that may occur from using the information found on this site.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Any submissions to this site and any post on this site becomes property of Squarebirds.org . The webmasters reserve the right to edit and modify any submissions to this site. All material on this is site is copyrighted by the Squarebirds.org. Reproduction by any means other than for personal use is strictly prohibited. Permission to use material on this site can be obtained by contacting the webmasters. Copyright 2002-2016 by Squarebirds.org.