This will take you to the main site where there is history, technical information and other information on these cars.
This takes you back to the main page of the forums.
This is the control panel to change your password, information and preferences on this message board.
Click here if your lost your password or need to register on this message board. You must be a registered user to post. Registration is free.
Search this board for information you need.
Click here to buy cool Squarebirds mechandise.
Click here to support Squarebirds.org. For $20 annually receive 20mBytes webspace, a Squarebirds e-mail address and member's icon on the message board.
  #1  
Old 11-06-2018, 11:01 AM
Rancherman's Avatar
Rancherman Rancherman is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: Oct 26 2016
Posts: 5
Rancherman is on a distinguished road
Default Preferred method of reinstalling engine/transmission?

I've in the process of restoring a 1960 T-bird sedan. I pulled the engine separately from the transmission and had a very difficult time getting the block to clear the steering linkage enough to get separation from the transmission. Based on this, it seems a dubious challenge indeed to reinstall in the same way. Therefore I'm considering installing the two (engine/transmission) as a single assembly, but am concerned with managing the weight and snaking that assembly back into the car that will be freshly and expensively painted at the time. Suggestions? What has worked well for others?


Thx

Rancherman
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-06-2018, 12:24 PM
jopizz's Avatar
jopizz jopizz is offline
Excellent Auto Mechanic for over 40 years.
 
Join Date: Nov 23 2009
Posts: 5,636
jopizz is on a distinguished road
Default

I've done it that way before and didn't notice any major issue with the steering linkage. Did you leave the torque converter in the transmission? If you raise it straight up it shouldn't hang on the linkage. It helps to raise the front of the transmission so it's almost touching the firewall when you put it back in.

John
__________________
John Pizzi - Squarebirds Administrator
1959 Convertible

Thunderbird Registry #36223
jopizz@verizon.net 856-779-9695

http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-06-2018, 05:05 PM
Tbird1044 Tbird1044 is offline
Super-Experienced
 
Join Date: Jul 31 2012
Posts: 1,193
Tbird1044 is on a distinguished road
Default

The last one I helped to put in, we put the engine and trans back in the car as a unit. There were 3 of us on the job to help guide and push, but it slipped in nicely. No damage to the paint or engine compartment. We also had one of the engine "heavy duty levelers" from Harbor Freight. It really helped to adjust the angles as we wiggled the engine/trans back into place. Took about an hour to get it in and sitting on the mounts.
Nyles
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-06-2018, 05:13 PM
Joe Johnston Joe Johnston is offline
Super-Experienced
 
Join Date: Dec 23 2008
Posts: 705
Joe Johnston is on a distinguished road
Default

Engine alone or engine and trans as a unit - either works. Make sure you engine hoist is rated to deal with the weight of the assembly. Have a couple of helpers when you do this and also some old carpeting to lay on the inner fenders. Should you bang into something, hopefully the carpeting will keep you from chipping the paint. Shouldn't be a problem.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-06-2018, 05:45 PM
YellowRose's Avatar
YellowRose YellowRose is offline
Super-Experienced and a really nice guy!
 
Join Date: Jan 21 2008
Posts: 12,684
YellowRose is on a distinguished road
Default Preferred methid of reinstalling engine/transmission?

Not knowing what a Heavy Duty Load Leveler looked like, I looked it up on Harbor Freights website and the cost. Cost, not to bad. Brad told me that he is not quite ready to do this, but did want to find out if it was feasible to do it as a unit. I had told him that others on here have. Now he has a better understanding of the way to do it and the number of people it is advisable to have to do it. Thanks for the input. Here is what I found.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg HarborFreightHeavyDutyLoadLeveler.jpg (30.0 KB, 97 views)
__________________

Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
'59 Tbird "The Yellow Rose Of Texas" aka "Tweety Bird"
"It's Hip To Be Square"
Thunderbird Registry #33025 VTCI #11178

Contact me via Private Message for my email address, or (Cell) 210-875-1411 (Home) 210-674-5781
http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-07-2018, 01:03 PM
orwin's Avatar
orwin orwin is offline
Ford Man
 
Join Date: Jun 17 2008
Posts: 82
orwin is on a distinguished road
Default

I did both the remove and install of my 430 with the trans attached. That is what the service manual recommends. You'll need to disconnect the idler arm mount from the frame and drop the linkage (at least for the 430).

I used the Harbor Freight tilt device and it was really not that hard. I had 2 other guys to help.

All said and done, I would not want to do engine and trans separately. Too much chance of smashed fingers.

Pictures show removal (2008) and installation (last month).

John
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 430-out.jpg (66.4 KB, 103 views)
File Type: jpg 430-in1.jpg (67.7 KB, 100 views)
File Type: jpg 430-in2.jpg (65.7 KB, 98 views)
__________________
John Orwin
1960 HT 430
Tbird Registry #1590
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-07-2018, 03:24 PM
simplyconnected's Avatar
simplyconnected simplyconnected is offline
Slow Typist
 
Join Date: May 26 2009
Posts: 7,609
simplyconnected is on a distinguished road
Default

I LOVE the chain attachment in these pictures.
Please, do not use those intake manifold plates, mounted to the 1/4" carburetor bolts. Every time I see one it makes my skin crawl. I use bolts with washers through the chain, screwed into the heads. I have used the ends of the heads or intake manifold holes. I've also choked Y-block exhaust manifolds with flat nylon safety straps but I prefer chains.

I use a 2-ton hoist and it works well within the margin of safety. Remember, the farther the arm is extended, the more 'load rating' DECREASES.

So, how did Ford stuff engines on the assembly line? One guy on top, controlling the air hoist and one guy in the pit guiding the tail shaft. The engine and trans were already assembled and they stuffed one engine per minute while the car body was moving on a conveyor, all day long. Think about that. The line is moving ~ 25-feet per minute. They get about 15 seconds to actually stuff the engine and unhook the hoist. While the rest of the car is moving out of the way, the guy on top is hooking and hoisting his non-adjustable spreader to the next engine/trans. The guy in the pit is starting the fasteners, to be tightened down the line.

Assembly workers are amazing to watch. They work together with no wasted motion. Not every single engine mated with the body mounts the first time but they knew which way to finesse each short up/down motion with each 'rocking' command. In no time, both assemblers made the other's job much easier by working in unison. They stuffed over 450 power plants per shift into painted bodies, five or six days per week. - Dave
__________________
My latest project:
CLICK HERE to see my custom hydraulic roller 390 FE build.

"We've got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?"
--Lee Iacocca
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-07-2018, 09:28 PM
M&L60Bird's Avatar
M&L60Bird M&L60Bird is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jun 1 2014
Posts: 15
M&L60Bird is on a distinguished road
Default

When I restored the 60 Bird 3 years ago, the restoration shop installed the tranny first and the engine second vs. together. It took a LOT of time and hard work with 3 people to get the tranny mated to the engine. In my opinion, I would try installing them together as I think it would be much easier to attach the tranny and would save time overall. You will most likely need the leveler to squeeze everything into the engine bay.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-08-2018, 12:13 AM
simplyconnected's Avatar
simplyconnected simplyconnected is offline
Slow Typist
 
Join Date: May 26 2009
Posts: 7,609
simplyconnected is on a distinguished road
Default

At Wixom, engines came in on racks and transmissions came in on other racks because they came from different plants. Automatics were mated in an 'overhead' conveyor setup with the toque converter in the trans.

There are two flex plate holes for the torque converter's drain plugs and there are four torque converter studs. I've seen many re-installed transmissions where the drain plugs were covered by the flex plate. Obviously, that is wrong. Working underneath, the correct holes/drain plugs are apparent IF you're looking for them when lining-up the converter.

The assembler starts a couple bell housing bolts when he gets the converter bolts into the flex plate. Then he uses a tool to 'ratchet' the flex plate by hand from underneath as he starts the four nuts on the converter studs. Hand rotation 'pops' the components into alignment then all the fasteners are tightened. One guy does it and he makes it look easy.

Down the same off-line, exhaust manifolds and final dress components are added. This complete subassembly is added to a long overhead conveyor of correct engine/transmission assemblies that fit the schedule for when they arrive at the Final Assembly line. Then it's ready to rock, just stuff it in and bolt it down. Next...

I've seen guys bolt the torque converter to the flex plate first but there is a greater danger of breaking transmission parts. It's much safer to offer the trans with converter TO the flex plate. - Dave
__________________
My latest project:
CLICK HERE to see my custom hydraulic roller 390 FE build.

"We've got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?"
--Lee Iacocca
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-09-2018, 02:07 PM
OX1 OX1 is offline
Experienced
 
Join Date: Feb 10 2016
Posts: 332
OX1 is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by orwin View Post
I did both the remove and install of my 430 with the trans attached.
Guess there is no chance of getting 430 out and leaving hood on?
Really not looking forward to removing hood, ever really.
__________________
59-430-HT
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:42 AM.

Driving, racing or working on cars can be hazardous. The procedures and advice on this website including the message board are opinion only. Squarebirds.org and its webmasters and contributors do not guarantee the correctness of the advice and procedures. The Squarebirds.org and its webmasters assume no liability for any damage, fines, punishment, injury or death resulting from following these procedures or advice. If you do not have the skills or tools to repair your car, please consult a professional. By using this site you agree to hold harmless the Squarebirds.org, its authors and its webmasters from any resulting claim and costs that may occur from using the information found on this site.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Any submissions to this site and any post on this site becomes property of Squarebirds.org . The webmasters reserve the right to edit and modify any submissions to this site. All material on this is site is copyrighted by the Squarebirds.org. Reproduction by any means other than for personal use is strictly prohibited. Permission to use material on this site can be obtained by contacting the webmasters. Copyright 2002-2016 by Squarebirds.org.