Power Brake return spring, stop?

[orwin]

Can anyone check under the dash and see if their brake pedal has a return spring, insulator and rubber "stop"?

I'm reassembling my 60 HT and I don't have the parts shown in the parts book: Insulator B5A2481-A, Return spring B7A2472-A, and Bumper MA7583-A. I'm not sure if they were ever on the car.

I am trying to locate these parts but it occurred to me that maybe the Birds never had them and the parts books are wrong.

Thanks,

John

[simplyconnected]

Do you have a stick shift? The brake pedal support and hardware is different for an automatic.

[orwin]

Automatic, 430 c.i. motor. Power Brake with booster on firewall.
When I took the car apart, there was no return spring on the brake pedal shaft. Not sure if there ever was one. But now that I am putting it together piece by piece, I want to be sure that it wasn't somehow lost or discarded over the past 50 odd years. It would seem that the booster has a spring so not sure if the spring on the pedal shaft is really needed. A discussion on one of the Falcon forums implied that some cars had them some did not. The parts book shows the 60 Falcon with a similar return spring.

John

[Joe Johnston]

I've never seen one with out a spring of some sort or without a stop bumper either. The spring makes the pedal fully lift away from the push rod.

[orwin]

Thanks!

I have been able to locate most of the missing parts except the spring B7A2472-A. None of the "standard" Bird suppliers list it and I tried Dennis Carpenter, who at least listed it on his Website. He sold the last one so now I am on to Plan B. I found that Tri-5 Chevies used a similar spring so ordered one for 6 bucks. Will see if it fits. Anyone out there with junk or parting out Birds want to sell me a spring?

John

[jopizz]

Here's the picture of the brake assembly for a power brake equipped car. As you can see there's no spring like there is on a manual brake manual transmission car.

John

[DKheld]

x2 on John's comments. Don't remember my car having a spring - there isn't much room for one anyway. I can check tomorrow but mine is a 352 - pretty sure they are the same. Carl Heller has plenty of parts cars - partsetal on the forum - send him a private message.

Eric

[DKheld]

My pic didn't turn out like I wanted it to..... but the bottom line is - no spring on a '60 / 352 / non-A/C car with the booster in the engine compartment.

Eric

[orwin]

More brake questions

Thanks Eric,

It didn't look like that cross shaft had ever been apart so I suspected it never had a spring. But how about the rubber "bumper"? There is a rectangular hole in the top of the pedal arm. From your picture looks like no rubber bumper either.

Now I am trying to find a replacement PB pedal, but all the parts houses seem to have a non-original type replacement. The original pedal is rubber molded over a steel backing plate with "Power Brake" molded into the face. VTCI confirms this is right. No stainless trim. I can use my original but it is badly worn. Anyone know of a source for the correct pedal? On the back it is molded 4146857 AY 4.

John

[jopizz]

Have you checked with Carl Heller (partsetal). He may have one.

John

[simplyconnected]

Mac's in NY:

Mac's part #: C1SS-2457-C

Ford Thunderbird Brake Pedal Pad - Automatic Transmission & Power Brakes $9.95 /EACH



Enjoy. - Dave

[orwin]

Pedal, bumper?

Mac's online says "not correct for 1960" but it does look EXACTLY like my pedal. For 10 bucks, I'll take a chance. Can anyone check if there is the rubber "stop" bumper? I also ordered one from Mac's but not sure if it was ever equipped.

John

[jopizz]

I believe that's just the rubber part without the metal. I've never tried it but you probably have to separate the two and somehow glue it. Somewhere it says slip on but I'm not sure how that would work. Maybe if Carl Heller sees this thread he can explain further.

John

[simplyconnected]

I think all the Ford lines used the same semi-hard rubber bumpers. Mine are all rubber... pull the ears back and slide it in. The brake pedal needs to be depressed to get to this square hole. The rubber hits the top of the brake pedal support. - Dave