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Old 07-05-2012, 07:04 PM
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Default jury duty, interesting summons

believe it or not (ripely's), I moved away from the U.S. since 1986 and my friend at my old address got a summons for me to appear for jury duty....and I am not even a U.S. citizen.
Don.t want to offend anybody and I won't abuse my rights(which I am not supposed to have) but strange it is.
Yes I kept up my Ca driver license but it seems I am also registered to vote, or was when I was living there, once they came to my door in 1984 to sign me for voting registration and I told them that I was not qualified(was green card holder) but according their records they said I I never really voted though because I felt I was not qualified to do so because I wasn't really a citizen. (I even thought for a moment, because of their mistake, I might as well run for office and see when they find out).

Just received the summons from my friend by email and I opened the courts website, jury service, filled in my badge and pin number and voila, my name comes up only with the message that I failed to appear on the date that I was requested, penalty will follow...oops!
I just send them an email apologizing and telling them that I would like and be honored to fulfill my jury service as long as they provide and pay for my flight and a hotel when I am there.

Interesting detail is, I got my ssn number when I arrived as an exchange student/trainee in 1977 without a problem, I was 19 and everybody kept asking for my social security number so I just went to the ssn office and they gave me one. I have been paying taxes from that time until 1986 when I left, maybe that makes me eligible to receive social security payments when I retire? or when I am 65? how does that work?

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Old 07-06-2012, 12:21 AM
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People like you give the bureaucrats BIG headaches!

But as long as they can find a way to keep taxing you, they will be plenty satisfied....

You paid in, you should be able to see something in return, but I'd say its a crap-shoot by now.

I certainly dont expect anything from the govt. when I retire in 24(?) years. There are now "more takers than makers".
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Old 07-07-2012, 01:29 AM
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Very Interesting

I don't really have any answers just a couple of observations.

In VA jury duty IS tied to voter registration. It might be that way in all states.

The Government wants to track people and the best way to do that is with "voter registration". There probably is a central US data base that houses all this information. If you are registered to vote then they can track you down in about 2 minutes.
Remember, just because are not paranoid does not mean "they" are out to get you.

I would doubt you would get retirement as that is for US citizens, however; you did pay into something that didn't apply to you so you may be able to get a refund.

I don't know how you would do that but good luck getting any interest on your money, if you are fortunate enough to get it.

Having the SS number is something else but I have no idea on the ramifications of that issue.

Good Luck with it.

Oh, and you can run for and be elected President with out being a citizen - we have one now. That is said "tongue-in-cheek" because of the controversy on that issue.
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Old 07-08-2012, 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Jimz Bird View Post
...In VA jury duty IS tied to voter registration. It might be that way in all states...
Yep, that's how it is in Michigan.

Jury selection from voter registration saves them time because in order to vote, you must be a citizen (or have dual-citizenship) 'in good standing'. As long as you have no convictions, they have no reason to check your citizenship status (so they don't). Convicted felons cannot vote (or leave the country). So, felons cannot serve on a jury but they CAN run for public office (like Marion Barry, elected Mayor of Washington DC after his release from federal prison).

I believe the Social Security Administration averages payouts based on the amount you have paid over your lifetime, after you are elegible to file. It is a tax on wages and self-employment income‎. So, good luck trying for a refund.
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Old 07-08-2012, 02:18 AM
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yes got it fixed, I send the courthouse an email with the badge# and pin# that was in the summons and an apology for not being there and got notified in past due time but also stating that I have not been living there since 1986 but have kept up my driving license, I will return someday, and thats why I am not qualified because of my not living in the county. Strange is that when my license if up for renewal that I can send and renew my license by mail/email if you live in a foreign country so I did renew it again about 2 years ago, mail and forms back and forward so they know by the DMV however when the application is accepted they only want to sen the new license to a U.S. address and I gave my old address which is now my friends address as a c/o.
The court explained to my they go by voters registration and/or and in most cases only through DMV records. So I was easily excused for not appearing but it can happen again they said as long as I carry a valid drivers license and when my friend receives a summons again in the future he should send it back with a change of address.

as far as social security goes, yes I probably received it first in error because I only had a student work exchange visa at the time but 2.5 years later I had the official status residence permit so then it was ok. But indeed what Dave said the amount that pays out is based on the actual yeas that you have been working and paying in so I will get some when the time is right, probably from 65? it wont be much after only almost 10 years paying in. But the same for me from working 4 years in Japan, 8 years Holland and 16 years sofar in Finland and maybe returning to the U.S. in the next few years. adding all the little amounts up from all those countries might be enough (seen in the light of day with the econ. crisis, might be enough to buy me a daily cup of coffee.
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