fuel pump woes

[GTE427]

Dexter,

I have the OSI for the period, list the info you're looking for and I'll look it up for you.

[GTE427]

I believe the C0LE pump was used on the 60 TBird 430 and this was the Carter fuel pump. The B8S was a AC pump. The TBird pumps all had the inlet line at 9 o'clock, the discharge at 6 o'clock. Lincolns varied the locations of their inlet and discharge locations, Ive seen 9 o'clock inlet, 7 o'clock disch & 11 o'clock inlet, 6 o'clock disch, maybe more variations exist. I can't add anything about the pushrod lenghts or arm assemblies.

I didn't think there were any differences between the TBird Carter and AC fuel pumps, maybe someone can add more as to why the C0LE pump was replaced by the B8S pump.

[KULTULZ]

Be advised that these pumps under discussion (58/60) are TWO PORT PUMPS. The pump used on the LINC SPECIFIC 430 (61/65) and 462 (66/68) are THREE-PORT. CARTER was the vendor on the THREE PORTS.

Interesting observation on the AC and CARTER though...

The reason(s) for the two vendors is most likely hidden in a 60 TSB.

[GTE427]

I have seen the Carter Two Port Fuel Pumps, --ports indexed correctly for the TBird-- and both pumps, AC and Carter, are Illustrated in the 1960 Parts and Accessory Catalog dated Nov59. If I can get an image, I'll submit later.

In looking at the 1960 Parts catalog, both pumps --B8S & C0LE-- are listed with the C0LE already being listed as replaced by the B8S pump in the Nov 59 printing. Though this didn't show in the OSI till much later.

Below is a summary of the data from OSI catalogs. All catalogs are the final in their Volume besides the July72 which was an interim issue. I've attached the same info in a text document that's easier read, wouldn't keep the spacing when pasted into this thread.

OSI Catalog Listings FD-7632

Eccentric
B8S-6287-A RB C0SZ-6287-A OSI V3 July 67
B8S-6287-A RB C0SZ-6287-A LM OSI July 66
C0SZ-6287-A NR - OSI V4 Jan 80

Fuel Pump
B8S-9350-A - - Not Mentioned OSI V3 July 67
B8S-9350-A NR - OSI V4 Jan 80
B8SZ-9350-A NR - OSI V4 Jan 80
C0LE-9350-A - - Not Mentioned OSI V3 July 67
C0LE-9350-A RB B8SZ-9350-A OSI V4 July 72
C0LE-9350-A RB B8SZ-9350-A OSI V4 Jan 80

Pump Arm
B8S-9376-A - - Not Mentioned OSI V3 July 67
B8S-9376-A NR - OSI V4 July 72
B8S-9376-A NR - OSI V4 Jan 80
C0SZ-9376-A - - Not Mentioned OSI V3 July 67
C0SZ-9376-A NR - OSI V4 Jan 80

Push Rod
B8S-9400-A RB C1VE-9400-A OSI V2 June 61
B8S-9400-A RB C1VE-9400-A OSI V3 July 67
B8S-9400-A RB C1VE-9400-A LM OSI July 66
C1VE-9400-A RB C1VY-9400-A OSI V4 July 72
C1VE-9400-A RB C1VY-9400-A OSI V4 Jan 80
C3VY-9400-B RB C3VY-9400-C OSI V4 July 72
C3VY-9400-B RB C3VY-9400-C OSI V4 Jan 80

RB=Replaced By
NR=Not Replaced

Year Specific Parts Books FD-7752

Part No Year Engine Source
B8S-6287-A 1959 430 Parts Book 1959
B8S-6287-A 1960 430 Parts Book 1960
B8S-9350-A 1959 430 Parts Book 1959
B8S-9350-A 1960 430 Parts Book 1960
C0LE-9350-A 1960 430 Parts Book 1960 (Replaced by B8S-9350-A)
B8S-9400-A 1959 430 Parts Book 1959 (.375"OD x 4.875"Lg)
B8S-9400-A 1960 430 Parts Book 1960 (.375"OD x 4.875"Lg)

[KULTULZ]

GREAT RESEARCH AND INFO!

[GTE427]

C0LE fuel pump

See attached pdf from the 1960 Ford Parts and Accessory Catalog for the illustration of pump C0LE-9350-A

[Guest]

Thanks GTE427 for the pic!
I have a 49-59 MPC on CD but I can not download the illustration due to copyright. The B8S pump looks like it has a 2 piece arm assy while the C0LE is one piece. I would love to know if there is any difference in length/ratio. I think that would shed light on the different rod length. Does anyone have a C0LE-A pump that we could gently dissect?

[KULTULZ]

Fuel Pump Diagram From 1958 MERC Shop Manual-

Two Piece Actuating Arm

[KULTULZ]

Thanks to Kultulz for sharing his information, it is very interesting! It would be interesting to know if the C1VE-A rod superceeded any of the rod(s) listed in TSB-17.

The block P/N reference came from the fuel pump rod listing, 9400, 49-59 Ford MPC. The B9SZ-6009-A block assy is not listed in either the 49-59 MPC or the 60-64 MPC. Just the B9LE-6009-A for 59 and C0SZ-6009-A for 60. There is the possibility that there was a mistype in the B9LE part number and should read B9SZ.

B9LE is LINC specific as C0SZ is FORD (BIRD in this instance) specific. The 59 LINC 430 and 59 BIRD 430 had diffent HP ratings. The 60 LINC went to 2V while the 60 BIRD retained the 4V. This would explain the 6009 part number differences (most likely piston and cam differences).