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Old 10-26-2018, 09:15 AM
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My horn does not function using the silver hornring on the steering wheel. PO installed a custom button under the dash that's connected to the horn. But I would like to fix it so the hornring works.

It was suggested that I try adjusting the steering column by loosening the two screws under the dash and pulling on the column. The thought is that maybe the column slid down and the hornring is no longer making contact with slipring.

I am going to try this and let you know how it goes. Not sure exactly what those two screws look like but I can probably find them.
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Old 10-26-2018, 09:52 AM
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My horn does not function using the silver hornring on the steering wheel. PO installed a custom button under the dash that's connected to the horn. But I would like to fix it so the hornring works.

It was suggested that I try adjusting the steering column by loosening the two screws under the dash and pulling on the column. The thought is that maybe the column slid down and the hornring is no longer making contact with slipring.

I am going to try this and let you know how it goes. Not sure exactly what those two screws look like but I can probably find them.
Kirsten, Do you have a shop manual for our '59 Bird ? It may be necessary to remove the steering wheel and find out if the horn wire is there for the horn to work .
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Old 10-26-2018, 11:22 AM
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Here's the column screws you wanted to find. The manual will tell you how to proceed.
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Old 10-26-2018, 11:38 AM
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Chris, thanks for posting that pic. I was in the process of looking for it when I was replying to Kirsten in email about this. Kirsten, it is probably going to take two people to adjust that steering wheel. One to pull up on it and one with a screwdriver to tighten it down while the other keeps it in position while it is being pulled up. As Martin said, the horn wire may no longer be there in the steering column, or disconnected. It is going to take a good mechanic to take all that apart and work on it. Yes, she has the '59 shop manual, and she also has the '60 shop manual for her new Bird..

Kirsten has told me that she is not pleased with the sloppiness in the shift selector and would like to fix that down the road. I have informed her of the various components in the steering column that are probably worn and should be replaced. Shift Tube Selector Arm down at the bottom of the steering column, shift lever, that expensive Shift Collar, the Detent plate, maybe the PRNDL itself.. So my suggestion would be to wait until you have gathered all the parts for that, and do this all at one time. Fix the horn, and the shift sloppiness, including.... taking the steering column out and replacing that Shift Tube Selector Arm.... That can be one of the main problems along with the others, causing that problem after some 60 years of use... So go into that area once, and not multiple times...
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Old 10-26-2018, 11:56 AM
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Thanks everyone! That photo is super helpful.

And thanks to Ray for all that information. It's a shame that there are so many parts for the steering column that need to be purchased without knowing which part in particular is the main culprit.

I plan to try to pull on the steering column on my own to see if I can at least fix the horn issue that way. I know there's a good chance this may not work, and sounds difficult for one person to do alone. But I will try. I agree with Ray, that if I have someone work on the horn issue they should do the shifter at the same time.
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If someone bypassed the wiring in the column to add a button you are probably going to have to undo what they did to get it to work. You can certainly try moving the column but if it doesn't work the wiring will have to be looked at to see exactly what was done.

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If you look under the steering column you will see a number of wires coming out. The horn wire is blue with a yellow connector. You will have to trace that wire and see if it's unplugged. There should be a male and female yellow connector. If pulling up on the column does not fix the horn then the wire may have been unplugged at the connector and a new wire plugged in that goes to the button. You may just have to unplug that wire and connect the original wires back together. The horn wire was probably bypassed either because it didn't work or it wouldn't stop working.

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Is that blue wire in the photo below that shows the underside of the steering column?

You are probably right that the wire was disconnected by the previous owner and re-routed to the button. It just seems really funky that someone would go into the column and disconnect the wire to attach to some useless under dash button. But if the horn wouldnt work or wouldnt stop working that could make sense.

I am hoping that the previous owner was just too lazy to have someone go into the column to fix it properly. He is a larger guy and told me that he adjust the seat (and he may have also said he adjusted the steering wheel) in order to give himself the most room possible to fit his body between the wheel and the seat. So I am hoping that he pushed the steering column in as far as possible to make himself space and in doing that it messed with the hornring's functionality. Maybe he decided he valued a couple inches of space more than a functioning hornring. That's my hope b/c it would be a simple fix if pulling the column is the solution.

If that fails, then it's probably something in the column as suggested. =)
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You can't see the wires in the photo. They come out of the steering column farther down. There's a large group of wires that come out all together. They should be easy enough to see if you don't mind getting under there. I doubt that anyone messed with the inside of the column.

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There is a contact inside the column beneath the steering wheel, it gets dirty or corroded and the horn only works intermittently, it's way easier to reroute the wire to a button then it is to take off the steering wheel and do it properly. I guarantee there's nothing seriously wrong, just a lazy PO. I know you said you like doing the small jobs, the indent piece for the shifter needs replacing on yours, tackle it all at the same time, print out the how to off the TRL and follow it step by step, it's not the easiest thing to do but it doesn't require super mechanic abilities either.
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