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Old 12-29-2013, 03:31 PM
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Just sealed it up and filled it with type F. Seems to work fine with no strange noises or smells. And I have reverse! I even booted it in reverse to see if it would hold. If it is going to break I would rather have it happen here.

Dave, I am going to monitor the fluid quality and smell. I am hoping to get a new band anyway but hopefully that will be a summer project. It is mild here (41' and drizzling,) but not pleasant in an open carport.

And I made my mind up to buy the car.

Thanks all for help and support!
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Glad to hear that you've decided to buy it. It only seems just considering how much work you've put into it so far.

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Glad you are buying the car, as it looks very good.

You can probably weld the band but I wouldn't. If the band is heat treated (like spring steel), that's gone after welding. Another concern is, bits of steel or slag. Some things can be repaired, and I do. Transmission and engine parts, no. I know you're up there in BC but bands are so cheap, it isn't worth the risk. - Dave
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Agreed Dave. It will be good to go through the entire transmission including bands. Everyone focusses so much on the engine, e.g. oil changes every 5000, and can overlook the precise hydraulic controls in auto transmissions.
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Transmission oil is in a much more friendly environment than motor oil. Even so, all that band and clutch fibre material has got to go somewhere. The filter material isn't that fine, either. Many transmissions go to their graves with the original filter.

Now we come to the valve body, tiny bearings, etc. These components work until catastrophic failure, usually caused by little or no maintenance over time. Then, they get fixed and the owner starts adding up the money he's putting into the car. (That band split didn't happen over night, but you (the next owner) have to deal with it.)

My point to everyone is, change your motor oil AND change your trans fluid AND change your rear end gear lube AND change your brake fluid on all of your cars. Don't forget to change antifreeze before the anti-corrosion goes away, or lime deposits will collect and clog your cores.

Take your starter motor out, look at the brushes and clean the housing up. A new set of four brushes cost US$3.50 but a new starter costs fifty bucks +core deposit at Rockauto.com (they only have one left).

You guys in the South have a reputation for having great car bodys but worn out powertrains, because your weather is real nice and it's easy to put things off for 'just a little while longer'. Us Snowbirds really can't work on cars in the bitter cold, so we're forced to do our maintenance just before and after winter, or we get stuck and pay a high-priced mechanic to do it in his heated garage. Believe me, when the temperature drops to 'bitter cold', your hands don't work and steel wrenches exacerbate the problem. (Electrical tape doesn't work, forget spray painting, most glues and RTVs don't work, etc.)

There. I feel much better, now. Ted, you're a good man. Keep up the good work. - Dave
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Can someone please tell me the proper name of my transmission? Is it called a Cruise-o-matic medium case? Would a wrecker recognize that name? There are some wreckers who sell old transmissions cheap. I would like to find one and harvest the rear band out of it - plus learn more about it before I work on my own. Since Fatsco has a $100 core charge this makes more sense I think.

By the way, do you harvest parts from a transmission? Or excise? Or extract?

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IF your tranny has not been replaced over the years, it should be a Cruise-O-Matic PCE Medium Case tranny, as indicated in my post below regarding it. You should have a tag on the drivers side of the tranny case that says PCE and perhaps some other numbers. As indicated in the picture below, there should be a 10 7/32" spacing between the end of the bell housing and the end of the center part of the tranny as indicated in the picture. If you were to say you are looking for a Cruise-O-Matic PCE Medium Case tranny, they should know what you are looking for. Try to find one with the tag on the side that says PCE.
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Thanks Ray. It almost certainly is the original transmission based on the original condition of the car and what I know about the original owner. But the tag is missing - I can even see the little rivet hole that would have held it on.

So I will quote PCE too Ray. Hopefully they will not say "we have a bunch of old transmissions lying in the mud, come and find one!" That would be a challenge as I have never seen one out of a car.

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I see the tag is missing from the tranny case, but you are pretty sure it is the original COM. If you can, take a good look at the tranny case and write down, or take good pictures of any inscriptions you see anywhere on the case. There should be some stamped codes on it that will also tell you what tranny that is. If you do that post the codes here.

If you go looking for a tranny for parts, try and find one that does have the tag on the case still, and make sure it says PCE.
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