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Old 05-18-2015, 03:19 AM
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Last month I installed new window glass, weatherstripping, and all-metal rollers in our '59 convertible (see Donna's '59 resto-mod convertible). Yesterday I hooked up the window motors to check for smooth operation. Three out of 4 worked fine but the passenger side quarter window stuck after briefly starting down. It turned out that the cupped washer that slides along the track had been pushed through to the opposite side and the roller spring was causing the mechanism to bind. I figured there were a couple of possible causes; either the track had wide spot or maybe the cupped washer was of improper diameter. I removed the window today. The track was OK however the cupped washer looked to be the problem. While it was only fractionally smaller than the diameter of the track-riding part of the roller, the after-market cupped washer was considerably narrower and much less "deep-dished" than the OEM cupped washer. Each of the cupped washers on the new rollers was similar to the one pictured. I am salvaging as many of the old OEM cupped washers as possible and will put those on the replacement rollers, especially for the quarter windows. Pictures attached (the close-ups are a little out of focus...sorry).

#2 roller with cupped washer pushed to other side of window track and binding on spring
#3 roller with cupped washer in correct position and spring compressed
#5 concave side; new washer on left, OEM washer on right
#6 convex side; same arrangement as before
#7 convex side, lower picture angle; differences between new washer on L and OEM washer on R are clear; notice wear mark on old washer with plenty of width left to remain on the track.
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Old 05-18-2015, 04:39 PM
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This morning I got busy on my quarter window problem. I reinforced the rail as Nyles had done. For rail reinforcement I used 1/2 inch leg steel angle then drilled and tapped holes in the window frame for 10-24 machine screws. The exposed leg is on the outside of the frame as there is no clearance problem there. Also, I replaced the cupped washers on the new replacement rollers with the cupped washers salvaged from old rollers. Check out the picture of the new roller with the old cupped washer on it (on right) with the new roller and its cupped washer (on the left). It looks pretty clear to me that the modified roller will slide better on the rail. After some lunch I will re-install the window. Hope all goes well. Will let you know. I've attached pictures of the project.
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Old 05-18-2015, 09:34 PM
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Were the rollers with the smaller cupped washers the steel ones offered by some of the small bird and squarebird parts vendors? I believe they sell in the neighborhood of 8.00 each. I was about to try some of them, but have been holding off.
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Old 05-19-2015, 12:26 AM
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Carl:
If my buddy John comes through, he will making a run of the "brass" rollers. These rollers would still need to use the original bevel washers. He is planning on making a run of 500-1000 rollers. He has the program set up for the CNC so now needs to get the materials and do the run.
I keep after him as I want to use these rollers when I install my windows.
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Old 05-19-2015, 03:26 AM
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Ray, Can you please do a link to this or save this thread in the Technical Resource Library? I need to find this great ideas within a year or so

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Done, Anders. I added it to the Window section in the TRL..
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Update: The quarter window is back in and working well. It travels up and down smoothly and the motor doesn't sound like it is straining. Fiddled with window adjustment but final touches will wait until the new top goes on next winter. If any of you ever remove old rollers don't throw away the cupped washer if it is useable. It may be a better piece than the one that comes with replacement window rollers. I'm saving mine in case I have a similar problem on another window.
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