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Randy 01-05-2016 12:07 AM

Randy's update
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Got got wind of a parts car about an hour and a half up the mountain in Julian, it started raining but I still went because it has a great deal I got two bumpers and a door with glass in great shape for $100 for all of them, I had to take them off by my self, the gentleman Jim thats his name he did help me, hand me a wrench or two, got diabetes just like me so we had a lot to talk about, bad back, trifocals getting old not doing stuff and what not. Its was wet,cold, tires flat on one made difficult getting under, I got WD40, that door kick my butt, thank goodness he had more tools than I brought, that extension was much needed and magnet oh I needed that a time or two I could not keep it on the socket falling in the door, how much does that door weigh that's what I wanna know, I forgot my back brace, I wasn't thinking about anything but saving a boat load , Jim had the im sick of looking at it story... and to my surprise yesterday put on new battery cables to starter they where rotten and fried or both, the starter works the engine turns over, I'm a happy camper!!

Dan Leavens 01-06-2016 08:58 AM

Randy good score and it is starting to come together:)

Randy 01-08-2016 06:07 PM

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what is this hole under the tar-like stuff on the bottom of the trunk? Like a drain or something. But it was covered with thin material. Looks like maybe it should have had a drain purposes?? Packed full of dirt. and the tar stuff had to chisel off ?

Randy 01-11-2016 11:15 PM

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I just noticed that my license plate is 63 that's weird.
look at that face you gotta love it.

Randy 01-12-2016 07:53 PM

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Had little time today got fuel pump out, why would rebuild kit cost as much as to get one outright ? compatible w/fuel blends,I learned about here on the Square thank you.
and ? is there a tip about getting it back in seem as to be spring loaded,

jopizz 01-12-2016 09:35 PM

I don't trust a lot of the rebuild kits I see. You don't know how long they've been sitting around. Certainly Ethanol can wreak havoc with the diaphragm and gaskets if they aren't compatible. It's easier just to buy a new pump. It depends on where the cam eccentric is on how easy it is to install. If the eccentric is in the right place it's a snap. If not you may have to turn the crank slightly or press down on the pump to get the bolts started.


Randy 01-13-2016 12:16 AM

Funny I just saw a post of yours talking about fuel pump.
..install I need to turn engine a bit, Check that last bolt was in a bind to the end. thank you.

Randy 01-14-2016 07:08 PM

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Nice sunny day, got it up on blocks, rear bumper off, that was no small feat, made list for tools I need a bunch more! and my rear cowl if that what it called?is not so good,

Randy 01-14-2016 07:26 PM

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...........................My Garage!

Randy 01-24-2016 09:31 PM

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I found a very in good condition much needed upper back outside panel assembly.
its was (and still is) up the mountain hour 1/2, 4200 feet. with the help of Jim we two old farts in back brace's. had to move three non working vehicles one BIG truck, it took most of the day and we where pooped, cold, get dark, so we wrapped it back up,
so it sits till I get back up there. I have all the Parts eng., trans., doors everything except windshield, dash with gauges it was nice to. Now I think I'll stop looking and get to doing. you know whats funny is the parts car body is in better shape, dmv something and cost of it. and sick of looking at it. so he started parting it out. lucky me... lets see I'll need a welder, what ever it is they cut out body parts with, wait maybe YouTube class on welding. ha! just found out tomorrow is the day going back up .!
I get the hood,and trunk to O got to remember the air filter and what goes around lights. long day going up ride with Jim down then back up help him move some stuff and park trailer get back home clean up and pick San Diego which is little over hour away thats A day.

Wudro 01-24-2016 09:37 PM

I wish I knew what you were talking about because it sure sounds like you're having a good time doin it!

bird 60 01-25-2016 06:17 AM

Sooooo, looks like you're marrying a '59 with your '60. What's it going to be a '59 + 1/2. Best of luck with the resto.

Chris......From OZ.

Randy 01-25-2016 11:14 AM

Hi Chris
I didn't plan it that way. first bird is in need of a few parts and the list kept getting longer. and $$ I don't have, I first went up there to get passenger window! So now I have a 60 with papers,
and license tags, 59 with all the parts I deed and a lot more! All in two months,
Hi Wudro
I wish I knew Too?

Wudro 01-25-2016 11:34 AM

I guess you're like me, know just enough to get myself in trouble! Good luck, keep up the progress and keep us posted.

Randy 01-26-2016 02:07 AM

Parts Bird
Got down the mountain and through the woods, went fairly good. Jim's wife said he don't drive very well any more, and that I should drive, I'm a believer!!. I drove back....
On the way down, Jim had to lock em' up once and hard, the bird was sliding over the yellow line as we're trying to make a right at a tee intersection that we should have just went past and turned around! the poor guy at that stop sign was sure looking like he was a goner!! Jim is almost flying past the turn, he slams on the brakes- I'm pressed hard against the shoulder harness desperately trying to see what was happening with the bird!! I turn my head to look in the mirror to see where is the guy who's been riding our butt all the way down the hill. That guy was on the brake and thinking of going around us towards the left! its a good thing he didn't- because that lane was full with a truck that didn't have time to brake poor truck had two wheels in the dirt went he went by, car in rear was crap'in
his pants, I don't know how we made it!!

Randy 01-26-2016 10:39 AM

some pictures
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my new parts

Randy 02-09-2016 12:13 AM

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Ok Squarebirds I have been a little over whelm with my new project. Had some time this weekend still have the electric gremlin, but hey the dome light works. So I put on some new parts, fuel pump, spark plugs, plugs wires they snap like twigs.
and Oil it was black, oil filter the rest of my time on the filter.
I search for answers, I tried what I could I bent the first oil wrench its not even thinking about moving, its not up very high
it was on cinder blocks and some 2x4s but didn't feel to safe and bought some jacks a long with a bunch of tools from harbor freight. My lovely bride would not think highly of me if I was a
Darwin award recipient.
back to oil filter, pushed pulled beat it from top to bottom, My bad shoulder is killing me! Do the screwdriver trick, what's that?
Oil everywhere yep you have to. No I'm trying more stuff..that don't work, go in town talk to mechanics yep did that that to its all squished up. No not the screwdriver again, back home hit from top with 2x4 and hammer i can see 1/4 in. of outside no help, so driver trick how to prepare for big mess, !! WD40 let it sit tell tomorrow.
I don't Know why I'm thinking its going to move.and try as do it don't. one more I go Borrow a
big pipe wrench took a little doing but its off. Yeah oils not all over the place. funny thing after broken from seal hard turning
for a good turn or so. that thing was stuck on, screwdriver just
rip it in half oil all over me and still top left stuck up there.
they say it works, glad I did have to.

simplyconnected 02-09-2016 12:41 AM

Randy, the oil filter bracket comes off with four bolts. That drops the filter in your lap so have a catch-tray underneath.

Drain as much oil as you can, then put the bracket (with the filter) in a vise.

That thick rubber gasket is the culprit. It fused and hardened. Use a propane torch to melt the gasket and the filter will spin off using your hands and a rag.

There is no need to mangle or gack-up parts. For the price of a paper gasket this job should take no more than 1/2 hour and removal should be easy.

I had the same deal with front 'A' arm urethane bushings. Adding a little heat, the old ones came right out, no problem. Alright, that was a lie. After the urethane burned out sending black smoke signals for a radius of two houses, the inner sleeve slid right out. I used a hammer and pipe nipple to pound out the outer shell.

Ron of Chicago 02-09-2016 05:21 PM

Randy, it sounds like you are having a good time saving that bird. Good for you.

Old cars can be a real learning experience for sure. Never say die. Keep on keeping on.

I've been working on old cars solid for the last 18 years and I always love it when I can learn something new.

Keep up the good work.

Ron of Chicago, now of Florida.

Randy 02-10-2016 12:11 AM

the Bird singing


Randy 02-11-2016 09:31 PM

Its started as dirty as it was i'm surprised!?
rusted plugs, oil was black thick something. fuel line had rust, last tags are 2009, put a fuel in gas can put a little in carburetor and some WD40, and WD40 in pistons when changed plugs,
(i didn't have Mystery oil)
been doing a lot studying here on the Square thank you. there are some wise experienced mechanic, that will go to great links to help you, not to mention there time, just search most of the question have been discussed, Thanks. O that reminds me, I was reading a post about rebuild a 352 detailing the
differences of before 1960 and after 1960, I don't seem to be able to find it again, I wasn't doing a particular search I was just going back two hundred or so pages, well I thought is was something I needed in the future, and wanted to read it again and save it.
Back to starting eng. I hot wire the bird (haven't found key switch problem.) one wire from battery to coil and thicker one from battery side to ignition side of relay, what it cant be that easy! yep when I touch the relay it started it only for 3,4 seconds, I was smiling big, my lovely Bride came out said "what was that you didn't start it with me did you" No I didn't mean to just seeing if my wire work. you see all week while I was taking my time getting rusted in plugs out and reading how and such, Terri would say are you ready to start. No not yet, Ok don't start without me! I didn't think it was going to.
So I poured so more gas in carburetor sprayed wd40 in, touch the the relay it had to turn over a bit longer not much more it started up, it had some knocking going not to bad, about 15 seconds noticed gas coming out of carb. top front side from a hole, quick turn it off, gas, turn the key, No WIRE!! that was fun!! We laugh. so i guess it time to learn about carburetors. but for now I cut a piece rubber bad plug the
hole up. just to see, It ran at idle 7,10 mins. and slowly kept getting quieter the video is right before I turn off, I wanted to check everything, and see about rebuild carb.

1960 352 by Randy harsha, on Flickr

Tailfins4ever 02-13-2016 06:31 PM

That sounds great! Nothing like the sound of something that hasn't run in a long while starting up. Congrats, it's also nice watching someone in a Hawaiian shirt when it's 15 degrees here.

jopizz 02-13-2016 07:43 PM

There's a small vent hole in the top of the carb. If gas is coming out either your float is stuck or bad or the needle valve is bad.


Randy 02-13-2016 08:43 PM

A Swell Howdy Do!!
a big shout out to....
Simplyconnected> I was looking at those 4 bolts on the oil filter when I under there. I didnt see your note until after.
I borrowed a big pipe wrench, I was some what frustrated but I got, I tried everything I read, except the infamous screwdriver trick. LOL
.To Tailfins4ever
It did sound good I was surprised to say the least.
Hawaiian shirt that funny just this week Terri got me a mechanics shirt and pants, all i have is Hawaiian.
.To Wudro
haven't tried the foil yet. I saw blue spray paint on your car just like on side of my 59 part car. weird.
.To jopizz
for the tips on fuel pump. And hole in carburetor.
.To Ron of Florida ,
for help me have a good time. YaY..
.To Dan Leavens
for keeping score. and how about those Canadian oil sands. ouch.
.To bird60 for Noticing.
This is how long I've wearing Hawaiian.LoL

Randy 02-17-2016 08:28 PM

Look what I scored today Big Tomato picker,
.and some shade its been 80+ for 2 weeks now. not complaining.
I know impressive, Yes lol

Dan Leavens 02-18-2016 09:22 AM

Randy look at you go with your new TBird home:D
Is that a Shriner badge I see on the grill?

Randy 02-18-2016 01:12 PM

(Re:) Dan
No Shriner, Dealer Heritage, Cadillac, Eldorado.
That's why the Bird has to stay out side, Cad and Birds don't get along .

Dan Leavens 02-19-2016 09:14 AM

At least the Bird has a home:D

Randy 02-22-2016 10:56 PM

New Carb.
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Put on the carburetor its worked fine, not like the fountain of the original one! ..you can see for your self. For 30 sec.
.................Video 352


Just $68.00 i'll thke it. COAE-J. my old one is COAE-K


I got eng. going I best to start on the DASH...

Randy 02-22-2016 11:21 PM

Dash ....
I have for your enjoyment, a few videos, that you can make fun of me taking the dash out . on flicker.


I didn't have tool for wiper switch, so i put Finishing nails on both side of pin then use a plug wire puller with rubber end. to turn it

Restifier52 02-23-2016 07:14 PM

Looks like you had to remove some habitat:)

Randy 02-26-2016 11:38 PM

O yea he had quite the condominium, and I see evidence he has
acquired more real estate under ash tray. I haven't looked under
there. I think they moved! no signs of life Yet.


..Saw this truck, maybe it has 390 Not :cool:

Randy 03-03-2016 03:38 PM

With dash out it was a lot easier to see and work on it, and with your help have found at lest one gremlin!.Key switch had 12v yellow from light switch, but no place after, but oil and eng. light was always on. just as I hook up batt. they came on no mater what key position. ruff it up it its 56 years old ricky race that key if its broken you cant hurt it. with that in mind. I took volt measurement here and ther, have no idea what i'm doing.
while looking dumbfounded at steering, My lovely Bride of 30 years in Aug. comes out "could you put on the water"! Oboy can I. Jump up unplug Batt. hang out for a bit in the house.
.Now all fired up get back to Bird I had screwdriver in pocket and I whack what turns out in be the voltage regulator on the head. plug batt in go sit on floor look at wires, moving the tester
from post to post, its lights up sometimes, take notes. "HEY" my oil and eng. lights are off haven't seen that, what happen check batt. maybe, I kicked something when I got out. ask Terri did you see 2 little lights on when you came out today?.?? !!!I whack that box!
Yep open it up I see copper, coils, points, the first ones are burnt, I push on the top they stick, look in the window, LIGHTS are on, pull them apart they go off. Key still do nothing. no more time to day.Few days later. Get back after reading and getting help from the Square. Give the key a good wiggle, an wiggle no change not a flicker, wiggle harder well if it wasn't broken it is now! came apart in the middle, separated guts on floor! have to get new switch. I guess I'll work on brakes.
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Now the Bird has been up on blocks and jacks since I needed wheels to get the 59 parts car. and I read that you have to hammer sometime to get drums off. Let me tell you I hammered, ......
Stupid *** Randy did not have the nut with all the grease off.
Thats right. Yeah laugh it up!! My neighbor stuck his head over the fence what all that racket? that's about the same time it hit me!Duh!. Disks no problem. two very short videos at end of pictures, shows Brakes drums and stuff Best looking part of the bird.

1946hamm 03-04-2016 08:40 AM

Randy nice videos. I would like to point out one thing. GET RID OF THE CINDER BLOCKS they are not safe. Get some jack stands or wood blocks. When I was a kid is school, one of my classmates found his Dad dead under a car held up by cinder blocks that had failed. I cringe every time I see cinder blocks used.

Best regards, Gary

Randy 03-04-2016 09:41 PM

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I hear you loud and clear Mr Gary. I have 6 ton jack to go under
Bird which i didn't have at the time, needed tires to get parts car.
even though they are 30 pound block, Jacks should have been in
place by now! Thank for Knuckle thump on my head!

Randy 03-04-2016 10:38 PM

Booster off 3-4-16
master/Booster. Pictures and 3 videos grinding rivets off to get bracket ready for my new disk brakes.

Randy 03-04-2016 11:30 PM

eng. sighting`
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390 fe Been looking for a good find in spare time. nothing till a few days ago. Part Car is at mother-in-law all wrapped up.
I was going to measure the stroke, then started going things that
needs doing. I did get a # off intake and on trans. I hope its good

Randy 03-13-2016 09:44 PM

..Yesterday got lots done. Took off the rest of front brakes and did some,lots of cleaning, put more jacks on and left blocks for more support and just in case. it took awhile to get it square with distributing weight on all jacks. this would make a good time to have two jacks with adjustable levelers.! We clean up the Garage and dash, and for your enjoyment pic.& video to see..what going on, O and Terri bought me some new work duds, now I need a name tag.
.Next is Terri she said Hi
and this link is the rest but not intended for tutoring..:eek:

Dakota Boy 03-13-2016 10:34 PM

I remember fighting all those front end pieces a few winters ago... Fun stuff!

Randy 03-21-2016 01:11 AM

driver side ball joints out, A-arm out, lower bushing check, uppers bushing they are kicking me but I will win
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENqhKocECbs spring out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykter5R2Dgk bushings out
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126764...in/dateposted/ horse shoe in my spring
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126764...57663661997193 the pic. of removal of joint.

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