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NYsquarebird58 04-25-2012 09:47 PM

NYsquarebird58's Brake System Overhaul and Disc Brake Conversion
 
Iím gearing up to completely overhaul and upgrade the brakes on my í60. I have about 98% of the parts I need and if the weather permits, I can get started this weekend. Here some pics of the parts Iím using.

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NYsquarebird58 04-25-2012 09:48 PM

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lawyercalif 04-25-2012 09:59 PM

Strange lookin discs!!

NYsquarebird58 04-25-2012 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lawyercalif (Post 64809)
Strange lookin discs!!

68' mustang rotors

lawyercalif 04-25-2012 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NYsquarebird58 (Post 64810)
68' mustang rotors

The picture shows drum brakes. I was just making a little joke! I did not see all the pictures below that.

I am also in the process of installing front disc brakes. I have a similar looking booster but the bolts to the MC are longer so I can use either a side bracket or one that goes underneath.
I have AC so I am using an original bendix bracket and adding a jeep extender bracket to get past the AC plenum. I am going to try something a little different with the hockey stick. I will post some pictures when I get it done. Right now I am waiting to get my car back from the garage, I have had the 390 and the C6 installed. Just a few more details before we start it for the first time.
Hope to have it back and be working on the brakes by next week.

YellowRose 04-26-2012 01:42 AM

NYsquarebird58's Brake System Overhaul and Disc Brake Conversion
 
Those are some great pix, Marcelo! Good luck with your conversion. You should love the braking when you are done!

DKheld 04-26-2012 09:12 AM

X2 on Rays comments - the disc brakes sure tame the beast when it comes to stopping.

How are you connecting the booster to the pedal assembly?

That porp. valve looks identical to the one I bought from Master Power Brakes. I was told it is a combination valve and already has the 2lb residual valve built in. Might want to check on that. Master Power has changed their wording on the valve info though and it no longer says it includes the residual. I did not use a residual valve on mine and mine works great.
http://www.mpbrakes.com/products/pro...product_id=614


Eric

simplyconnected 04-26-2012 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DKheld (Post 64827)
...I was told it is a combination valve and already has the 2lb residual valve built in...

Eric, some master cylinders had a residual valve built in but I don't think any combination proportioning valves ever did. Marcelo's is only a ten pound valve, which isn't much. It only resists on the 'return' stroke...

Hey Marcelo, make sure you install with the free flow arrow pointed towards the rear. - Dave

NYsquarebird58 04-26-2012 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by simplyconnected (Post 64841)
Eric, some master cylinders had a residual valve built in but I don't think any combination proportioning valves ever did. Marcelo's is only a ten pound valve, which isn't much. It only resists on the 'return' stroke...

Hey Marcelo, make sure you install with the free flow arrow pointed towards the rear. - Dave

Dually noted. Thanks!

Anders 04-26-2012 05:48 PM

What is this for, and where will it sit?[/url]

NYsquarebird58 04-26-2012 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Anders (Post 64845)
What is this for, and where will it sit?[/url]

That LED gets wired to the harness coming out of the proportioning valve.

If I happen to loose braking pressure, that LED will let me know about it. I'll mount it somewhere inconspicuous on the dash or console.


DKheld 04-26-2012 10:18 PM

Found it!

Marcelo - if you don't want this info in your thread just let me know and I'll delete it and put it in a different post.....I understand completely - no big deal.

After almost EXACTLY 8 years (date on one receipt was 4/22/04) I located most of the parts info I used on my disc conversion.

Master Cyl - Advance Auto - p/n 10-1518 - receipt was too faded to read on the price. For a '75 Lincoln Mark V
Booster - new purchase and modifed by Power Brake Booster exchange for the 2 stud master cyl (61-64 Lincoln front - standard Tbird rear section) - $275ish including core charge and modification.
Rotors - Advance Auto - Wearever - p/n YH141086 - $44ea - standard Granada
Calipers - NAPA? - no receipt - Raylock p/n 4000? very faded not sure on # , the other was p/n 4001 standard Granada calipers.
Flex Lines - Master Power Brakes - HS88520K - $60 - not a perfect fit to Granada calipers had to grind off a small amount of the caliper edge to make the banjo connection seat in the orientation I wanted. http://www.mpbrakes.com/uploads/prod...STALLATION.pdf
Combo Valve - Master Power Brakes - VL3350 - $100 No mention of the residual valve in the combo valve but my brakes work perfectly so I won't add one or change anything - that's how good they work. http://www.mpbrakes.com/uploads/prod...0_Rev10_07.pdf
Banjo Bolts - Baker Precision Products (bakerprecision.com) - 150/977522 .... 7/16 -24 $12
Pads - NAPA - TS TS7027AM - $15
Purchased all the lines from NAPA too then changed the ends on a few to make it all work.


Eric
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NYsquarebird58 04-27-2012 11:16 PM

Friday night project: Got my brake calipers, drums and rotors painted with POR-20 hi-temp manifold gray.


NYsquarebird58 04-30-2012 01:25 AM

I got a late start on the brakes this weekend. I was able to put in a few hours today and at least get my rotors on.








































simplyconnected 04-30-2012 03:00 AM

Good job, Marcelo! So far everything looks great. I see they changed your upper ball joint, so someone was maintaining this car 'right and proper'. - Dave

DKheld 04-30-2012 09:35 AM

X2 on Daves comments - looking great - I didn't notice the new upper ball joint that Dave caught (has bolts - originals had rivets). I was looking at the sway bar bushings - most of the time they are gone and just the bolt is rattling around in the bar.

I like how you are taking time to protect all the parts with a fresh coat of paint - going to make it last.....

Sure wish that Scarebird stuff had been available 8 years ago - would have made life much easier....

Eric

tbirds8 04-30-2012 09:15 PM

Nice job can we sit at the table yet? ha ha

NYsquarebird58 04-30-2012 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by tbirds8 (Post 64966)
Nice job can we sit at the table yet? ha ha

My girlfriend said the same thing :D

Jimz Bird 04-30-2012 09:50 PM

Ahhh, that explains how you get away with it "girlfriend" not "wife":D

Lookin' good - your're doing a great job with this.

NYsquarebird58 04-30-2012 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimz Bird (Post 64969)
Ahhh, that explains how you get away with it "girlfriend" not "wife":D

Lookin' good - your're doing a great job with this.

Thanks! So you're sayin' they change on ya when you get married?? I figured living together for a couple of years was good practice :D

SBHollingsworth 05-01-2012 12:28 AM

Great pictures. I just bought a 60 and i am hoping to do a coonversion very soon. Did you buy a kit and if so who's kit?

Keep the pictures and updates coming. good luck

NYsquarebird58 05-01-2012 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SBHollingsworth (Post 64975)
Great pictures. I just bought a 60 and i am hoping to do a coonversion very soon. Did you buy a kit and if so who's kit?

Keep the pictures and updates coming. good luck

My setup is not a kit; it uses standard parts you can get at any auto parts store and the best part is that you still retain your original spindles and bearings. Many kits use proprietary rotors and calipers, so if you need replacement parts you must go to the manufacturer. This setup also allows you to use 14Ē wheels found on many Ford disc brake cars. All the aftermarket kits I am aware of require you to use 15Ē wheels.

lawyercalif 05-01-2012 01:33 AM

Have you figured out how to mount the booster. What bracket are you using? It looks like I am going to have to modify mine some more to clear my tall custom valve covers or I might have to go back to stock valve covers.

NYsquarebird58 05-02-2012 02:13 AM

Adapter to connect to link pin

lawyercalif 05-02-2012 02:54 AM

What adapter are you using? Did your car have manual brakes before or did it have the Bendix Booster, or the Kelsey Hayes under the dash booster?
Does your car have A/C? All of these take different brackets to mount the new booster. I was just interested in which type you are using. Ray used a custom made bracket on Yellow Bird. I am making one using the Bendix booster bracket and a jeep bracket to clear the A/C plenum.

NYsquarebird58 05-02-2012 08:48 AM

I have a non-AC car with firewall mounted booster. I'm using the bracket from my old booster to mount the new one. I ordered the jeep bracket, but it is on back order until late may, so I'll have to cut down the threaded rod coming out of the back of my booster a bit.

lawyercalif 05-02-2012 10:54 AM

Marcello,

I have an extra Jeep bracket. If you want it send me a private message with your full name and address md I will send it to you.

NYsquarebird58 05-02-2012 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by lawyercalif (Post 65007)
Marcello,

I have an extra Jeep bracket. If you want it send me a private message with your full name and address md I will send it to you.

PM'd Thanks!

NYsquarebird58 05-02-2012 07:25 PM

Here's the master cylinder all painted up.












Jimz Bird 05-03-2012 01:54 AM

Is this the Master Cylinder from off of the Scarebird list of parts?

simplyconnected 05-03-2012 02:28 AM

This M/C is a 1-1/8" bore. I got one too (in chrome). We are trying them out to remedy our 'low pedal'. I just got mine two days ago and will let you know how it turns out. - Dave

Jimz Bird 05-03-2012 07:14 PM

:cool: Still up in the air on mine.
About decided on this one with 1" bore as stock on my 56. It is the same that was on my 69 Mach I Mustang with front disc/rear drum.
http://www.bendixcatalog.com/PartDet...x?b=B&pn=11378

NYsquarebird58 05-06-2012 12:44 AM

Had a little bit of a setback working on the T-bird today. I was test fitting my new 14”x6” wheel for clearance issues with the caliper when I went ahead and got myself injured. I was spinning the wheel with my right hand and as I turned my head to answer someone, I blindly placed my left hand on the wheel to try and stop it and that’s when my pinky and ring finger got sucked in between the caliper and the rim. If I could, I’d kick myself in the rear end for being so careless. I spent the second half of the day in the ER. Turns out I fractured a piece off of my joint, nicked a nerve, but the part that worries me is that I severed a tendon. They’ve got me on antibiotics, and pain killers. I’ll be seeing a hand specialist first thing Monday morning.





Before I got hurt I did manage to install the calipers, pads and the hoses, so the front end is pretty much done.




























Jimz Bird 05-06-2012 01:10 AM

Mannnnnnnnn wadda ya doin', eh?:D

After going through this back thing I know just how you feel.

Annoyed, but like big time annoyed. It is just something to slow you down but you'll get back to it. It IS aggravating.

Now, (just like everyone "hounds" me) do what the doc says and don't push it too much even though you want to.

That about sums it up, eh?

But on to better things. You're making great progress and this is bound to be a great resource thread.

Take care and if I didn't mention it - Mind the Doc;)

lawyercalif 05-06-2012 01:17 AM

Sorry to hear about your injury. It's real easy to get distracted and get hurt. I've done it more times than I care to remember. Let's hope you heal quick and get back to those brakes soon.

YellowRose 05-06-2012 01:48 AM

NYsquarebird58's Brake System Overhaul and Disc Brake Conversion
 
Marcelo, I am sorry to hear about your injury. I hope that you will heal quickly and be able to get back to working on the conversion. As was said, mind the Doc and do not try to do to much to soon. That conversion will wait until you are able to get back to it again safely. What you have accomplished is looking good though!

simplyconnected 05-06-2012 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by NYsquarebird58 (Post 65138)
Had a little bit of a setback working on the T-bird today... I fractured a piece off of my joint,..

OMG! That IS serious, Marcelo. Was GF with you taking the pic's? I hope she was. Women have that certain special ability to make it feel better.

I'm sorry to hear about your injury. Take things slow and follow your doctor's instructions. I kind of figured something was awry because you didn't call me today. I didn't know you stuck your finger in the wrong hole.

I KNEW I should have bought an expensive camera like yours. Mine doesn't have the all-important, 'X-Ray' feature, like yours. Good pics and good job.

Can you tell where on the caliper your new wheel is hitting? It should clear all the way like Ray's and Howard's. Maybe you have 'casting flash' that's sticking up, but I don't know.

Hey Richard, did Christine ever send you to the hospital???
Marcelo's car needs a gang sign and an infamous name like,

The Punisher.


Sorry, Marcelo. I had to go there... 'Here, you hold this while I hit it with a hammer...' - Dave

Richard D. Hord 05-06-2012 09:14 AM

(Quote) Hey Richard, did Christine ever send you to the hospital???
Marcelo's car needs a gang sign and an infamous name like,
Dave (QUOTE)

Hey Marcelo,
Hope everything is OK! These old girls (Thunderbirds) have a bad tendency of bitting:eek: especially if they think you are spending to much time with another women!
Richard D. Hord

P.S. Dave, "Christine" has bit a couple of times but just a bite!

NYsquarebird58 05-06-2012 11:56 AM

Thanks guys!! The most frustrating thing about this, is not knowing when I can get back to the T-Bird. Iíve got a month until the big car show and I still have plenty to do. Iím not gonna push it though; I want this to heal right.

Thankfully my girlfriend was right inside (sheís the best). We rushed over to the ER and she was by my side through it all (even when they were stitching me up). When we got back, it was dark and I still had all my tools and parts strewn about on the driveway just the way I left them. She put them all away for me and went around with a flash light to make sure nothing was left behind.

Iíll keep you guys posted; hopefully the specialist gives me good news tomorrow.

(Dave, Iíll be calling you tonight when I get back from the Christening.)

Mickfly70 05-06-2012 12:19 PM

Marcelo, Sounds like she is a keeper. Not referring to "Lucille the Punisher" either.

I went to the ER this week too but is was to put 4 stitches in our 2 1/2 yr olds head. Just happened to be driving home in the tbird when I got the call so that was the vehicle I used to drive to the hospital.

Get better soon so you can get back to work showing us graphically how to put disks on our rides.


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