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  • bcomo
    Super-Experienced
    • Sep 23 2005
    • 1223

    Tail Light Restoration 1960 - Part I

    Since my 60 HT will be in the paint shop for a few months, I thought that this woud be a good time to refinish the tail light buckets and lights. I took photos of what I'm doing so far, and will post more photos as I go on.

    In another post, we discussed the fact that painting the inside of the tail light cones would increase brightness. Part I will show if that is true or not.

    The first step is to remove the back side of the trunk material to get acess to the tail light buckets. This is best done with the tool shown. It's made to remove door clips. It's also a good idea to use plastic bags with for parts.




    The tail light bucket assemby comes out the back end by removing the 4 nuts on the studs shown by the red arrows. On the 60, it was easy to acess 3 of the nuts with a socket, and the last one with an open end wrench.




    Removing the remaining nuts will free the tail light assembly from the "Waffle" (checkered) back plate.




    Notice that the tail lights have a TOP (shown by the green arrow). Also notice that the chrome tail light bracket has bottom drain holes (shown by the red arrows). The drain holes need to be kept to the bottom.




    The next step is to separate the plastic lenses from each tail light cone. I used a sharp Xacto knife. Go VERY slowly, and take your time -- especially around each hole in the lens where the screw goes through. It will take about 3 to 4 passes with the blade before the lens separates.




    In the next step, I used 220 grit sandpaper to lightly sand the inside of the cones. Then wipe it with paint prep cleaner.




    I didn't want to use masking tape on 6 tail light cones, so I came up with a way to do it very simply.

    I used an old broken tail light lens (you can use a tin can that fits). A burned out light bulb, and a rubber grommet from a tie rod end (available at Auto Zone help section).




    Here is what the set-up look like after spraying with one coat of engine grey primer, and two coats of engine white gloss. I used engine paint because I felt that it would stand the heat alot better than off the shelf paint.




    Next, I used a small screw driver on the bulb contacts in the socket, and used a good amount of Bulb Grease on the bulb. I also used Long Life bulbs (from Auto Zone).




    So, was it worth it?

    The original tail light is on the left, and painted one is on the right. I think that it's easy to see the big improvement.
    There is a new bulb in both tail lights.




    This is a night shot of the same light.




    I still have to do the chrome Waffle backing plates, and the chrome tail light brackets. Can't afford to rechrome them, so I'll have to do the best that I can for now --

    Any advice on that would be appreciated.
    Last edited by bcomo; July 30, 2008, 09:15 PM.
    Bart
    1960 Hard Top/430
    Thunderbird Registry Number 1231
  • Penelope
    Super-Experienced
    • Mar 4 2008
    • 670

    #2
    Bart, you must be a mind reader. I am doing this to my 60HT on my next trip down and was going to spend some time in the workshop manual first, but now a printout will do instead (that is easier to follow).

    My ability with tools is limited, but it looks like a job anyone could do.....I hope

    Thank you
    Bill
    sigpicBill
    Thunderbird Registry 21903 & 33405

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    • scumdog
      Super-Experienced

      • May 12 2006
      • 1528

      #3
      Exactly the kind of handy hint I like to see, very good!!
      A Thunderbirder from the Land of the Long White Cloud.

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      • Guest

        #4
        Looks great Bart,,
        nice job and thanks for the great post.There was a post of someone using small squares of vinal for the waffels.
        Me and my gal used model paint ,a small brush and as steady of a hand as we could.
        Ive also heard of painting the whole thing and wipping the chrome.
        Keep us posted on you ideas and progress.

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        • fomoco59
          Super-Experienced
          • Jun 10 2005
          • 729

          #5
          My old '60 was a driver quality and the tailight waffle backing plates were really pitted badly and the chrome was gone. I powdercoated them and the lens brackets with Eastwood's "Almost Chrome" just to get them shiney and used John Draxler's (Thunderbird Ranch) decal cut-outs. A little tedious but came out decent. Pits still evident.
          Attached Files
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          Mike Lemmon
          '59 Raven Black Hardtop

          http://www.tbirdregistry.com/viewdat...tryNumber=2461

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          • bcomo
            Super-Experienced
            • Sep 23 2005
            • 1223

            #6
            Mike:

            What if a person would bead blast the chrome to get rid of the pits, and then use the almost chrome powder coating.

            Is that a possibile approach? Any pros and cons?
            Bart
            1960 Hard Top/430
            Thunderbird Registry Number 1231

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            • tarps3
              Super-Experienced
              • Jul 21 2003
              • 837

              #7
              nice job Bart.
              I've read that white reflectors are better than chrome painted ones.
              I wonder why all the new cars have chrome plated "innards" to their lights?
              Seems that white paint would be cheaper...
              Yours certainly look very bright!
              Casey

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              • ncbird
                Experienced
                • Jan 5 2008
                • 390

                #8
                great discussion

                This is a very timely discussion and the pictures are a big help. I am trying to do things that dont cost much like polishing the grill and detailing the tailights. I didnt know about the vinyl sheets so I went to my auto paint store and got striping tape. I have been pressing it into the square and cutting it with an exacto. It leaves a slight gap on the edge and I have been filling that in with a permanent marker. Not perfect but from a few feet away it looks fine. I am sure open to another approach. I thought about the paint but wasnt sure it would stick to the new chrome.
                As far as the pot metal and pit discussion I found this site
                http://www.caswellplating.com/buffs/ when I started buffing the grill and all the accessories they had. Check out the wheel called a scrubber wheel. I am goint to get one and try it on the spare glove box door I now own thanks to this forum. Grant
                Grant
                NCbird on the Coast of NC
                "Dads Bird" for my father

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                • bcomo
                  Super-Experienced
                  • Sep 23 2005
                  • 1223

                  #9
                  Casey:

                  I've wondered about that myself. Unless its the fact that the new cars use LED and halogen lights instead of incandencent bulbs.

                  I do know that we have to be careful about the heat buid-up in these lenses. One guy on a Rod Forum said that he washed his car at night, and when the cold water hit the lens, it cracked immediately.

                  I'll tell you what -- I have some chrome paint in the garage, and an extra tail light cone. I'll spray paint it chrome, and compare it to the white one. I'll also use a laser heat temp gauge on the cone after 1 minute of brake light -- that would be the highest heat on the bulb.

                  I'll do a post after that.
                  Bart
                  1960 Hard Top/430
                  Thunderbird Registry Number 1231

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                  • fomoco59
                    Super-Experienced
                    • Jun 10 2005
                    • 729

                    #10
                    Originally posted by bcomo
                    Mike:

                    What if a person would bead blast the chrome to get rid of the pits, and then use the almost chrome powder coating.

                    Is that a possibile approach? Any pros and cons?
                    Bart: I sandblasted mine first, but that won't get rid of the pits. They would all need to be filled with Lab Metal and ground flat. Very time consuming. That's why platers get so much money to repair/plate pot metal. I don't know how to put a caption at each picture so...

                    1st pic is plate after sandblast.. heavily pitted.
                    2nd pic is plate after powdercoat, pits still there, just shinier.
                    3rd pic is lens rings after blasting.. really rough shape.
                    4th pic is after powdercoat.. still rough.
                    5th pic is assembly without vinyl
                    6th pic is completed.

                    This process came out ok for this car, but not for a show car.
                    Attached Files
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                    Mike Lemmon
                    '59 Raven Black Hardtop

                    http://www.tbirdregistry.com/viewdat...tryNumber=2461

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                    • fomoco59
                      Super-Experienced
                      • Jun 10 2005
                      • 729

                      #11
                      Tail Light Decals

                      From John Draxler's Website http://www.tbirdranch.com/

                      "Tail Light plate paint decals for Squarebirds
                      They are made from semi gloss black high performance vinyl and are all pre cut. The shapes will have to be trimmed if there is a partial space available on the plates. Otherwise the sizes are correct and it makes the job much easier than painting. One thing I have noticed is that you can cover up a fair amount of imperfections in the chrome on these plates and really improve the looks of some "not so nice" plates.
                      They are available for the 1958, 1959 and the 1960---------Please state which year you need when ordering.
                      They are $15.00 per set which includes enough to do a pair of plates. Postage is $4.00 per set."

                      Set up a date with your wife. Get a big bottle of wine, a movie, some tweezers...worked for me !
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                      Mike Lemmon
                      '59 Raven Black Hardtop

                      http://www.tbirdregistry.com/viewdat...tryNumber=2461

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                      • bcomo
                        Super-Experienced
                        • Sep 23 2005
                        • 1223

                        #12
                        They look great Mike. So, bead blasting is not a fix.

                        I'll probably go with the wine and decals -- I thought that was wine and roses -- Oh well.
                        Bart
                        1960 Hard Top/430
                        Thunderbird Registry Number 1231

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                        • fomoco59
                          Super-Experienced
                          • Jun 10 2005
                          • 729

                          #13
                          Hah... my wife's a car nut too...sure helps.

                          Any media blasting is just a good way to get all the loose plating and paint off. (not a dishwasher) Best thing is starting with some good used plates/rings. They gotta be out there...
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                          Mike Lemmon
                          '59 Raven Black Hardtop

                          http://www.tbirdregistry.com/viewdat...tryNumber=2461

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                          • bcomo
                            Super-Experienced
                            • Sep 23 2005
                            • 1223

                            #14
                            Original, Chrome, and White Paint Test

                            Well, here are the results of the original tail light cone, and painting the inside of the tail light cone Chrome versus painting it White. Both for brightness and temperature inside the cone -- which is what the lens will endure.

                            This was VERY interesting !!!

                            Original on left versus White painted cone on right: Both have new bulbs.

                            Brake Lights -- As we already knew, the original is not as bright as the White painted cone.

                            Laser Thermometer reading-- keeping the brake lights on for 1 1/2 minutes (about what we might do at a long stop light). Measured midway to the center of the inside of the cone.

                            Original = 104 degrees
                            White painted = 110 degrees





                            Chrome painted on left versus White painted cone on right:
                            Both have new bulbs.

                            Brake Lights -- The Chrome painted is brighter than the White painted cone.

                            Laser Thermometer reading-- again, keeping the brake lights on for 1 1/2 minutes. Measured midway to the center of the inside of the cone.

                            Chrome painted = 204 degrees
                            White painted = 110 degrees







                            The additional brightness from the chrome painted cone almost doubles the heat generated inside the cone behind the tail light lens. Probably because the chrome paint has metalic particles, and relects more heat than the white paint does.

                            Remember -- these tests were done using the 1157 stock 32 candle power brake light bulb. Using a 2357 which generates 40 Candle Power would increase the temperature reading even more (maybe by 25% on either white or chrome).

                            It appears that the white painted cone would be our best choice for minimizing the heat behind the lens.

                            I'm thinking that the chrome works best in modern cars with LED lenses if they generate lower heat.
                            Last edited by bcomo; July 31, 2008, 12:11 PM.
                            Bart
                            1960 Hard Top/430
                            Thunderbird Registry Number 1231

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                            • ncbird
                              Experienced
                              • Jan 5 2008
                              • 390

                              #15
                              amazing

                              You guys are amazing...what great info.
                              do you serve a red or a white with chrome and vinyl?
                              Last edited by ncbird; July 31, 2008, 11:56 AM.
                              Grant
                              NCbird on the Coast of NC
                              "Dads Bird" for my father

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