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  • Meridious
    Experienced
    • Nov 16 2007
    • 158

    Strange Engine Tag

    To the right of the crankshaft on the block is a brass engine tag that reads:

    C L V-1

    5 1 6 5 9

    There are no other identifying marks or numbers anywhere on the front-side of the block. I have the engine ready to pull, but until I lift her up, I won't be able to read what marks are on the sides.

    Is anyone familiar with this type of engine tag and or number pattern?
  • Meridious
    Experienced
    • Nov 16 2007
    • 158

    #2
    The casting numbers on the heads are correct = 1960 Thunderbird, but the weird block-tag has me stumped.

    *COAE 60690-C on the heads

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    • kansasjohn
      Newbie
      • Nov 5 2007
      • 19

      #3
      it could be a rebuilders tag or a replacement engine tag from ford. kansasjohn

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      • frank58
        Super-Experienced
        • May 28 2006
        • 524

        #4
        I haven't found any reference to brass engine tags. the original engine tags were cardboard, as you might guess, not too many have survived.
        When you get that engine out let us know all the casting #'s.

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        • Meridious
          Experienced
          • Nov 16 2007
          • 158

          #5
          Originally posted by frank58
          I haven't found any reference to brass engine tags. the original engine tags were cardboard, as you might guess, not too many have survived.
          When you get that engine out let us know all the casting #'s.
          Will-do.

          I know the engine was rebuilt one time, and the added tag might be from that build....or my understanding of the engine being rebuilt once may turn out to be a remanufactured block was used. I hope not, but the tell-tale "352" casting number usually found on the V-8s of these years...on the block near the coil is not there. Nothing at all on the front other than this tag.

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          • frank58
            Super-Experienced
            • May 28 2006
            • 524

            #6
            One other thing you might take a look at before you pull the engine is the assembly date stamped on the drivers front of the engine.

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            • Guest

              #7
              tag

              It is positively a rebuilder's tag.

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              • Meridious
                Experienced
                • Nov 16 2007
                • 158

                #8
                Originally posted by frank58
                One other thing you might take a look at before you pull the engine is the assembly date stamped on the drivers front of the engine.


                This tag is VERY worn. The best I could read from it was:

                3-0D29A

                or possibly:

                3-UD29K

                or possibly:

                3-OD29R

                The top half of the stamped numbers/letters are worn off.

                On the opposite side of the block, (upside down) these numbers/letters can be found:

                R8AE016B

                0D20:4

                44

                11

                DIF


                The head stamps match a 1960s 352.

                Thanks,

                Merid

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                • Meridious
                  Experienced
                  • Nov 16 2007
                  • 158

                  #9
                  I am pretty convinced that the block stamp is:

                  3-UD29K
                  or
                  3-UD29R


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                  • tmjsong1aolcom
                    Experienced
                    • Mar 31 2004
                    • 329

                    #10
                    Here's the break down of your codes.

                    3 Deaborne Assembly Plant.

                    U My guess is that it is a ) with the top half not stamped or covered up with gunk

                    F June


                    I missed the rest of the code as memory is not what it used to be. I have had bad luck trying to read these codes. I take a Hi res. digital photo and blown up the numbers pop.

                    From what you have so far this engine seems to have been in your bird assuming your's is a later production and high S/N bird.

                    Good Luck
                    Fuz
                    58's&64's
                    Sun Prairie, Wi.
                    tmjsong1@aol.com

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                    • tmjsong1aolcom
                      Experienced
                      • Mar 31 2004
                      • 329

                      #11
                      oops.

                      D is April

                      29 is 29 th day

                      K or R Symbol of engine assembly person.

                      Fuz
                      58's&64's
                      Sun Prairie, Wi.
                      tmsjong1@aol.com

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                      • Meridious
                        Experienced
                        • Nov 16 2007
                        • 158

                        #12
                        But this engine stamp will not confirm the SIZE of the engine? 352 , etc?

                        The original block color of this one is blue, (After going through 3 layers of sprayed-on black paint) of that I have no doubt, which probably means this was NOT a 1960 352 T-bird engine, correct?

                        Pistons are flat-top with "eyebrows." (Not dished). Hydraulic lifters, ball-end push-rods. No stamped numbers on the rear of engine. It's definitely not a 427.

                        Everything else thus far, including the heads, intake,exhausts and harmonic balancer, point to a 1960 352, but no clue on the block itself of the true block-size.

                        Block has a more modern oil-filter drop/mount, but does have the "generator" bolt-hole which is normally missing on newer blocks. No other stamped numbers anywhere other than what I have listed.


                        Sigh.

                        You'd think there would be SOME exterior block ID that would confirm it's size on the outside of the engine so that a person would not have to tear its guts out and mic every inch of it before they could say, "Yep, I need parts for a 196_ 3_ _"

                        I've found some great deals on remanufactured 352s, through 390s and had decided to order one, but I'd still like to know what I have on my hands without tearing out the bottom-side of the engine just to do it.

                        Last edited by Meridious; February 11, 2008, 02:26 AM.

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                        • Meridious
                          Experienced
                          • Nov 16 2007
                          • 158

                          #13
                          OK...for anyone who has any knowledge, this is the set of raised engine-block numbers:

                          B9AE60158
                          B9AE6015B

                          The only difference being the last digit. IMpossible to tell whether it is an 8 or a B.

                          The B9AE could indicate either a 1959 332 or a 1959-1960 352 from what I have found.

                          I wish I could distinguish between them.

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                          • dgs
                            Super-Experienced
                            • Feb 13 2003
                            • 962

                            #14
                            Here are the numbers I found the passenger side of the block on my '60 (The image is reversed, the letters are actually upside down):



                            I was told that number underneath is the casting date, including the shift. So mine is:

                            0 = 1960
                            F = June
                            22 = 22nd
                            :3 = third shift

                            That would make yours (as tmjsong1aolcom pointed out):

                            0 = 1960
                            D = April
                            20 = 20th
                            :4 = fourth shift

                            The shift doesn't make sense, though, so I'm wondering if I've got that wrong. Anyone have insight into that?

                            Doesn't help ID the internals, but should indicate if this could be the original anyway. Mine's old enough to be original to my car.
                            DGS (aka salguod)
                            1960 Convertible - Raven Black, Red leather
                            www.salguod.net

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                            • frank58
                              Super-Experienced
                              • May 28 2006
                              • 524

                              #15
                              According to the date codes it was built in 1960.... and since the 332 was not available in 1960 (only in 1958 exports) that would tell us it is a 352.
                              Check your data plate...if the date on your data plate is real close to your engine assy date then the engine is most likely original to the car

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