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  • 60 T-Bird
    Experienced
    • Jun 2 2010
    • 347

    Alternator conversion

    I did a search here on brackets for an Generator to Alternator conversion using a ford 3 wire set up. I do not want to use a C.R.A.P. bracket. I want to use this one...I think...


    Part numbers C8AE 10156 B , C8AE 10145 A.

    Has anyone tried this? I know my 60 does not have the threaded hole on the front of the block. I'm a Machinist/Toolmaker and can make an adapter.
    "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming: Wow - what a ride!"
  • Ford351c594
    Experienced
    • Mar 6 2015
    • 124

    #2
    have no idea. I used the CRAP one and it worked flawlessly.

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    • simplyconnected
      Administrator
      • May 26 2009
      • 8778

      #3
      Martin, it depends on the alternator you choose. I use 130-amp alternators (Ford 6G large case) because they put out enough amps at idle to support an electric fan.

      You're smart to use the 3-wire because it will work exactly as you expect it should. Your GEN light is the third wire. It tells the alt that the key is on and the GEN light will shine if you throw a belt. You can also use remote start; something a 1-wire cannot do.

      Fabrication is usually made up of real easy stuff like spacers made of 3/8" water pipe cut to length. Depending on your alt mounting, you can make a "C" that bolts to your alt, then drill your own holes for the pivot on one end and use a heim joint on a threaded rod for the adjustment. Speedwaymotors.com has everything you could possibly want. The finished 'bracket' can look like this:


      Everyone wants a 'bolt-on kit' but really, your imagination and fabrication skills can come up with one that is cheap and sturdy. - Dave
      Member, Sons of the American Revolution

      CLICK HERE to see my custom hydraulic roller 390 FE build.

      "We've got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?"
      --Lee Iacocca

      From: Royal Oak, Michigan

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      • 60 T-Bird
        Experienced
        • Jun 2 2010
        • 347

        #4
        Hi Dave...thanks...I was hoping to use the "early" style brackets that I attached above and making an adapter to simulate the missing hole on the front of the early FE blocks like the pre 1964 blocks have.
        So my concern was if those brackets could bolt up which I think they can. I was looking for someone that had used them. The first year of the alternators used on the T-birds used this bracket I think.
        "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming: Wow - what a ride!"

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        • simplyconnected
          Administrator
          • May 26 2009
          • 8778

          #5
          I slung mine underneath, out of the way, to make room for my power steering pump. I used the generator block brackets for the alt pivot and a water pump bolt for the take-up.

          No head bolts for me. BTW, my alt is on a Y-Block. - Dave
          Member, Sons of the American Revolution

          CLICK HERE to see my custom hydraulic roller 390 FE build.

          "We've got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?"
          --Lee Iacocca

          From: Royal Oak, Michigan

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          • Joe Johnston
            Super-Experienced
            • Dec 23 2008
            • 720

            #6
            I think the brackets you pictured are the same as I have on my 63 Thunderbird - first year for the alternator and mounting hole in the block.

            These brackets are used here with a brace that is a bit crude bit it did work till I replaced the block with the correct one. This is the correct 63 alternator on a pre 63 block.


            Delco (sorry) 3 wire mounted low in the generator bracket on a Y-block pictured only if you have similar generator bracket.
            Last edited by Joe Johnston; May 13, 2016, 06:23 AM.

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            • 60 T-Bird
              Experienced
              • Jun 2 2010
              • 347

              #7
              Hi again...I have come up with 2 sets of Ford part numbers that might work.
              One set of numbers I got from a Ford Galaxy website which converted a generator to an alternator. Those numbers were...
              C3SE-156-B for the bracket and
              C3SE-145-A for the adjuster arm.

              Other sites, especially ebay ads indicate early FE 390's use a
              C8AE-10156-B for the bracket and
              C8AE-10145-A for the adjuster arm.

              Does anyone know the difference between the 2 sets?
              "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming: Wow - what a ride!"

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              • jopizz
                Super-Experienced


                • Nov 23 2009
                • 8308

                #8
                390's/352's had both a low mount and a high mount alternator. After 1965 most FE's had the high mount alternator. The brackets are different for each type.

                John
                Last edited by jopizz; May 23, 2016, 02:13 PM.
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                • 60 T-Bird
                  Experienced
                  • Jun 2 2010
                  • 347

                  #9
                  Thanx but I'm more concerned about these particular numbers. I found C= 1960's
                  3=63 ans 8=68. Still, upper or lower...??? I'll assume the old generator was a lower mount but with a generator bracket. One would assume you would want the alternator in the same vicinity. So therefore I would need a lower mount setup.
                  What I am unable to find is what brackets from Ford work on the retro for generator to alternator.
                  I promise once I get through this i will document it for the rest of the members.
                  "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming: Wow - what a ride!"

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                  • Joe Johnston
                    Super-Experienced
                    • Dec 23 2008
                    • 720

                    #10
                    Your triangular shaped bracket in your picture below is like the one I pictured for the upper mounted alt - or the mounting that uses a long bolt through the alternator and into the engine block.
                    This was used in 63 and quite possibly late 62.

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                    • jopizz
                      Super-Experienced


                      • Nov 23 2009
                      • 8308

                      #11
                      None of the Ford brackets will work without having the hole drilled in the block. If you can fabricate an adapter similar to what C.R.A.P sells you will be able to use the low mount brackets. The '63 brackets should be the correct low mount ones. However I can't guarantee that any of the brackets will bolt up correctly with the earlier water pumps. That will be trial and error.

                      John
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                      • 60 T-Bird
                        Experienced
                        • Jun 2 2010
                        • 347

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Joe Johnston
                        Your triangular shaped bracket in your picture below is like the one I pictured for the upper mounted alt - or the mounting that uses a long bolt through the alternator and into the engine block.
                        This was used in 63 and quite possibly late 62.
                        You see...there's the thing...a 63 is C3. The picture is a C8 (or 68). I'm not even sure it matters. But once you buy on ebay, you're stuck.
                        "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming: Wow - what a ride!"

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                        • jopizz
                          Super-Experienced


                          • Nov 23 2009
                          • 8308

                          #13
                          The C8 kit that you have pictured won't work for the low mount alternator. The arm is way too short. Here's a picture of what it looks like.

                          John
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                          • 60 T-Bird
                            Experienced
                            • Jun 2 2010
                            • 347

                            #14
                            By any chance, do you have a part number?
                            "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming: Wow - what a ride!"

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                            • 60 T-Bird
                              Experienced
                              • Jun 2 2010
                              • 347

                              #15
                              Check this one out...

                              "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming: Wow - what a ride!"

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