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  • kevin_tbird
    Experienced
    • Jun 12 2011
    • 157

    Vacuum Line routing for 1960 SR with power brakes

    Can anyone provide a picture or diagram or word description for the vacuum line routing for a 1960 tbird with power brakes, no A/C, wipers and auxiliary vacuum pump on the fuel pump?

    I also need a part number and source for the vacuum check valve between the engine and the brake booster.

    Thanks

    Kevin
    Last edited by kevin_tbird; June 13, 2011, 06:07 AM. Reason: add info
  • DKheld
    Super-Experienced
    • Aug 27 2008
    • 1583

    #2
    I don't know the complete wiper setup although my car did come with wipers. Never have hooked the washer that rides on the generator belt back up but here's the part I do know (I'll be figuring out the rest of it one day).

    Starting from the auxiliary vacuum canister in the drivers side wheel well you have a hose that connects to one side of the T on the brake booster and the other side of that T goes to the check valve. From the check valve a short hose connects to a hard line that runs between the valve cover and carb to the manifold vacuum port. The other connection at the manifold vac port is to a hard line down to the fuel pump / vacuum booster and has a short hose from the hard line to the vac booster connector. From the other side of the fuel pump / vac booster (labeled "wipers") is a short hose that connects to another hard line running back up the block and to the other side of the motor (passenger side) toward the firewall. My hard line going to the pass side stops about the end of the valve cover and has a hose connecting to a Y with the Y portion toward the pass compartment. The large hose out of the Y goes through the firewall grommet to the wiper motor and the small hose from the Y goes through the firewall grommet to one side of the wiper switch on the drivers side left interior panel.
    Below is a pic that might help and a simple diagram (my vac hose is disconnected at the Y in this pic because I am adding A/C. In the diagram the blue lines are hoses and black lines are hard lines - forgot to show the aux vac canister).
    All my original washer vacuum hoses are bundled together along the lower front edge of the engine compartment (shown in the pic) and wrapped to the wiring harness with the standard aluminum wire ties that were used on the Tbird. My washer was mounted with the generator bracket but I took it off to repair it years ago and just left the vac lines hanging.

    Concours Tbird http://www.concoursparts.com/
    VACUUM CHECK VALVE
    Call for Pricing -T-BIRD -1958-1963- C1SZ-19A563-A

    You could probably just use a generic vac check valve from the parts store but most are designed to fit in the booster rather than a hose on both ends like the Tbird. You would just need to get the hose over the end of the replacement check valve that is larger and designed to fit in the booster.
    Similar to this flea bay Item number:250843269300

    Partsetal on this forum my have an original check valve from parts cars - he is very reasonable and very helpful when it comes to parts.





    Hope this helps,
    Eric
    registry 5347
    Last edited by DKheld; June 23, 2011, 04:24 PM.

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    • kevin_tbird
      Experienced
      • Jun 12 2011
      • 157

      #3
      Eric -
      Thanks for the description and pictures. That is the way I'll install the vacuum lines. Now just to figure out the windshield washer line routing. Interestingly you said aluminum ties. All the ties in my bird were the ford plastic ties with the two holes to accommodate different size wire bundles.

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      • kevin_tbird
        Experienced
        • Jun 12 2011
        • 157

        #4
        I looked through my collection of "extra" fasteners and found the aluminum ties for the vacuum lines.

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        • kevin_tbird
          Experienced
          • Jun 12 2011
          • 157

          #5
          Eric's diagram shows a T in the vacuum line that runs to the wiper motor and to the switch. Is this T in the engine bay or under the dash? If in the engine bay where does it cross behind the firewall?

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          • YellowRose
            Super-Experienced


            • Jan 21 2008
            • 17229

            #6
            Vacuum Line routing for 1960 SR with power brakes

            kevin_tbird sent me a PM regarding some missing pictures in a link showing the vacuum line T set up going through the firewall to the wiper motor, and the route of that line into the firewall by the MC, to the washer switch. Those pix came up missing some years ago when Alexander switched servers. Fortunately, Julie Sosiak was able to provide us with all the data from Alexander's PC after his passing. I have found those two pix in a folder regarding the washer. You will see that in the T pic, a line is run from the left side where the line goes through the firewall to the wiper motor. That line goes over by the MC and through the hole in the firewall to the washer switch. Here are those two pix.
            Attached Files

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            • 60 T-Bird
              Experienced
              • Jun 2 2010
              • 347

              #7
              I am soooo glad I'm going electric!
              "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming: Wow - what a ride!"

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              • YellowRose
                Super-Experienced


                • Jan 21 2008
                • 17229

                #8
                Vacuum Line routing for 1960 SR with power brakes

                You will love the electric version! I like mine, though I rarely get to use it! However, when I have to, at least I know it will work and work well.

                Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
                The Terminator..... VTCI #11178 ITC #6000 Yellow Mustang Registry (YMR) #12188
                Contact me via Private Message for my email address, or Call (Cell) 210-875-1411

                https://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm
                Faye's Ovarian Cancer Memorial Website.
                https://faye.rayclark.info/index.html

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                • del
                  Retired Expert Enthusiast
                  • May 11 2010
                  • 312

                  #9
                  my electric conversion

                  I converted to electric wipers this season and am glad to have done so. Got the kit from MAC's. I mostly followed the instructions found in the Tech Resource Library here, except I did not remove the cables from the spool. I did wrap the spool with duct tape to keep them in place during the process. The new switch required a bit a fiddling to get it mounted securely but that was the only real problem I ran into. Some contortionist skills required under right hand side of dash... It took me 2 half-day sessions to complete. Well worth the $ and effort!
                  Regards,
                  Don Vincent
                  Amherst NY
                  1960 HT 352
                  TBird Registry 34042

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                  • jopizz
                    Super-Experienced


                    • Nov 23 2009
                    • 8345

                    #10
                    That vacuum line routing is strange. Mine has the tee and vacuum line to the washer switch inside the car under the dash. I wonder if that's because of the AC.
                    John Pizzi - Squarebirds Administrator

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                    • simplyconnected
                      Administrator
                      • May 26 2009
                      • 8787

                      #11
                      Originally posted by del
                      I converted to electric wipers this season and am glad to have done so...
                      I went to electric too and VERY happy with the results.

                      Those vacuum wipers (like the oem brakes) are sub-standard and nearly useless in snow. I know, I know, you don't drive your classic in snow, but they DID back in the day.

                      The torque these electric wipers output is great. They are manufactured by New Port Engineering.

                      The best price I have found (because of free shipping) is from:

                      JPL Street Rods (724-375-3940 - outside Pittsburg)
                      • 2681 Brodhead Rd
                        Aliquippa, PA 15001
                      They also sell on eBay, but I prefer speaking with a real sales agent at the store:
                      Here's the Little Bird model
                      and the Squarebird model

                      They use a two-speed self-parking motor. I bought the interval wiper option and the extended knob rod for my '55 Customline and '59 Galaxie.
                      Member, Sons of the American Revolution

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                      • kevin_tbird
                        Experienced
                        • Jun 12 2011
                        • 157

                        #12
                        I've seen the vacuum line diagrammed both ways. Under the dash and across the engine compartment. I decided to go with inside the engine compartment.

                        Now that I have the vacuum lines run right I went to test the system. I hooked up my A/C vacuum pump and if I push the washer switch I pull vacuum at the washer pump connection. Good so far.

                        How does the wiper motor work? I rebuilt it a number of years ago and am just now getting around to testing it. When you turn the wiper switch if moves a cable - should this cable then cause the vacuum diaphragm to open some sort of port for the wiper motor? I'm not getting any movement of the wiper arms. They are not froze up - I can move one with a set of pliers and the other one moves. Any adjustments to make here?

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                        • jopizz
                          Super-Experienced


                          • Nov 23 2009
                          • 8345

                          #13
                          Yes, it opens up the vacuum port when you pull the cable. I have the same problem with my pump. When I test it off the car on the fuel pump vacuum line it works fine. When I hook up the cables it doesn't move. All I did was take it apart, clean it and reseal it. I know there's a place that rebuilds them but I'm not sure what else they do.
                          John Pizzi - Squarebirds Administrator

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                          • del
                            Retired Expert Enthusiast
                            • May 11 2010
                            • 312

                            #14
                            Originally posted by simplyconnected
                            I prefer speaking with a real sales agent at the store
                            Me too. MACs is a 15 minute drive for me, and they have a real nice show room with usually 1/2 dozen old Fords on display. No Squarebirds though.
                            Regards,
                            Don Vincent
                            Amherst NY
                            1960 HT 352
                            TBird Registry 34042

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                            • Guest

                              #15
                              The place that does the Trico motors is Fickens



                              They can be a bit fickle, especially the sealing on the slide at the top. I had the one in my Mark II working fine off the car and would struggle when back on.

                              One thing I did was to soak the paddle part in brake fluid for a while. This softens the seal, just don't do it too long, then wash it well in water to get all the brake fluid off. When you re lube the paddle I used white lithium grease as it is quite light.
                              Also make sure the gasket seal on the lid is perfect

                              My wiper motor works quite well (for a vacuum motor) and even better downhill....

                              This method worked for me but it's a bit hit and miss so just beware if your going to try it

                              Richard

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